TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Surely this cannot be true. In boxing of all sports. I thought boxing had told men they needed to compete with other men?

”Two athletes competing at the Paris Olympics as “women” were previously disqualified from a women’s world championship for having “XY chromosomes.” Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan are scheduled to compete in Olympic women’s boxing next week despite past questions surrounding their biological sex.”

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I suspect the people with this very rare condition are recorded as 'female' at birth - due to observable genitalia - even though they never go on to go through female puberty - because they have XY chromosomes.

Despite the repeated pleas otherwise from VSD organisations and individuals, once #NoDebate was cracking, there was always going to be a fallback to PCOS, VSD and WoC - it's been shaping up for years. As other links indicate, it's been a strategy since the 1970s and before…

Only males have XY 5ARD.

You need to work on your intersex awareness.

Do 👏 Better 👏

A cervix and a uterus, as well as a penis? ( which is observable in photographs)

Sorry to be crude but I'm being told confidently (aggressively) elsewhere that this individual has a vagina, and 'it has been confirmed 😡'.

This is news to me and it sounds like a violation of their medical privacy. I can guess the same person will field back that discussion of a DSD/hormone levels/chromosomes is an equal violation however there are ways of privately, independently verifying their eligibility to participate in women's sports that aren't dependent on the presence or absence of particular organs and don't have to be broadcast. I don't want anyone to be made uncomfortable but regular mandatory testing is par for the course in elite sports, why would a chromosome test be specifically more intrusive? Surely individuals (most individuals 🙄) want to be cleared to compete in their category fair and square?

The upshot is that this is all utterly humiliating for the individual (I agree to a point, I really don't want to be discussing anyone's intimate regions) however when there's a simple, straightforward way to put a stop to all the uncomfortable speculation, one which the IOC and this individual/their team had ample time to pursue prior to qualification why would they not take it?

I sense I'm being deliberately undermined but am I missing something?

ETA Sort of cross posted with Biddy while I was typing. Perhaps this is the new go-to assertion from that social media camp.

Iirc people with Swyer syndrome are XY but lack the bit of the Y chromosome that makes them male iyswim. So they develop as apparently normal females until puberty. If it's diagnosed it's when they fail to begin menstruation. I think some sufferers have become pregnant and given birth but with donated eggs and a load of extra oestrogen.

These guys do not have Swyer syndrome.

Being discussed again on The World at One at the moment.

My understanding of it is that while there is a Y chromosome, the SRY male sex-determining gene is either inactive or completely absent, so people with the condition don't experience puberty.

Khelif has clearly gone through puberty so wouldn't appear to have Swyer Syndrome.

The whole thing reads like an excerpt from one of Simon Edge's books (see the End of the World is Flat, in which a small charity needs to find a new cause and is offered big cash to perpetrate the view that the world is indeed flat. It's a very smart satire).

There's so much misinformation, it's deliberate. To mask the fact that he's male.

I saw some posts calling him a cis woman. FFS

If he was genuinely female, he'd insist on having a cheek swab test to prove that and stop all the speculation. The fact that he hasn't, strongly suggests he knows he wouldn't like the result.

For those saying it's "unfair" for Imane to compete against women, is it worth pointing out Imane has been beaten by 9 women before?

Not really. Men who aren’t very good at boxing don’t belong in female categories. If my DH got in a ring with an elite female boxer she’d punch his lights out. This wouldn’t mean that my DH doesn’t have male advantage it just means he’s a shit boxer. I don’t know why this is so hard for some people to understand.

People with Swyer syndrome don’t produce testosterone…

It's not a lack of understanding, it's knowing full well but getting off on being contrary.

I'm so furious that idiots are continuing to claim that this boxer is a woman when the IBA tests were failed and the appeal was withdrawn.

TWAO: an interesting piece concentrating on the disparities in eligibility criteria between the different sporting bodies. Quite fair reporting apart from the use of de
females pronouns for male boxers.

Just seen her sounding off - reported in the Independent.
Bloody brave of her. Brava.

It's fucking sick how trans rights / mens rights agenda appropriated the experience of people with dsd. Helping spread misinformation around the internet.

It’s bizarre isn’t it! Mediocre male athlete beaten by some elite females is not exactly the shocking revelation all these posters seem to think it is.

What's a woman in your definition?

Imane Khelif has XY chromosomes = he's a man.

Men who are shit boxers don't belong in the Olympics. Definitely not winning gold in the women's.

quite right. something like athletics, which provides measurable times and distances, makes this obvious. the female world record for the 100 metres is 10.49 seconds... a very, very small proportion of men, even very fit prime aged men, globally can beat this mark... e.g. of the 500 footballers who will be registered to play in premier league squads for 24/25, and these are top performers in the world's most popular sport, nowhere near as many as 50 would be able to match it, quite possibly not even 25... of the regular guys you see kicking a ball around in your local park there'd nearly always be no-one who could do it.

but for global elite male sprinters it's a time they can achieve practically at a jog.

all that the losses to elite women say about Ms Khelif is that as a male boxer she's probably at no more than club fighter level, maybe not even that.

Do you understand the impact of testosterone?

If men with DSDs like this are going to be allowed to compete in women's sports, we can kiss goodbye to them now.

You have proven again that you simply either can't be arsed to read anything substantive about competitive sporting principles or you are just bad faith.... or you could be both.

Firstly, it doesn't matter that the male athlete has lost. That makes them a mediocre male athlete because exceptional female athletes win against them.

How do you fail to understand this? Just because a male loses against a female athlete, that does not mean that they don't have a competitive advantage, it means they are not that good!

A great example that Ross Tucker uses is this one. If someone put a motor on their bike and competed in the Tour de France, and lost, does that mean that the competitor didn't have a competitive advantage? Or was not a mediocre competitor?

"Also this "A spokesperson for the International Olympic Committee confirmed on 1 August that Khelif’s participation in Paris was “not a transgender issue”."

So, what? This athlete is a male athlete tested and determined to have a competitive advantage over female athletes. Whether this male athlete is transgender or a male with a medical condition is actually irrelevant to the outcome.

"And lastly, Imane is from a very anti-LGBT country, so those who keep incorrectly saying or implying she is a man or trans could be putting her safety at risk."

I see.... so female athletes and women's rights campaigners need to STFU because someone comes from a country with harmful policies. A country by the way who is celebrating this person's win.

If they are in danger, they need to be protected and this needs to be raised immediately so steps can be taken and this competitor can be kept safe.

It is NOT for female athletes to accept being put in harms way because the IOC has flawed and unfair policies and put this athlete into this situation. It was entirely preventable. It should have been anticipated.

It is not female athletes fault or their responsibility.

Only a misogynist would ever suggest this.

"Doesn't "women's rights" include women with a hormone/chromosome disorder, or should those women be "thrown under the bus" because it's an excuse to be transphobic?"

This is a discussion around sports. What part of 'where sex matters' do you fail to grasp? Sports has always been an issue where 'sex matters'. Male people with medical conditions should never be prioritised over female people. Doing so is not a feminist act. But, as you have posted a misogynistic point on this post, I think we can conclude that you never were a feminist, you most likely have little understanding of feminism either. I mean.... anyone who dismisses male violence against women the way you do and have has no moral high ground at all.

The comments on Nicola Adams' X post make for interesting reading. He groped Carini's breast at the end of the match. We've seen men pat each other on the chest after a sporting event, let's face it, a woman would never do that for obvious reasons! He literally sexually assaulted her!
I just can't believe this is happening. It's frightening.

We've seen men pat each other on the chest after a sporting event,

Have you? Even that seems weird. A man might more likely pat another man on the shoulder as a friendly gesture. But pawing at a woman's breast is pretty clear in its intent.