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TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Signalbox · 28/07/2024 07:31

Surely this cannot be true. In boxing of all sports. I thought boxing had told men they needed to compete with other men?

”Two athletes competing at the Paris Olympics as “women” were previously disqualified from a women’s world championship for having “XY chromosomes.” Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan are scheduled to compete in Olympic women’s boxing next week despite past questions surrounding their biological sex.”

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DelilahBucket · 02/08/2024 14:10

duc748 · 02/08/2024 14:05

We've seen men pat each other on the chest after a sporting event,

Have you? Even that seems weird. A man might more likely pat another man on the shoulder as a friendly gesture. But pawing at a woman's breast is pretty clear in its intent.

Yeah I've seen it a lot. Like this.

TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”
Whoopsmahoot · 02/08/2024 14:14

They are XY, therefore male, doesn’t matter whether the Y chromosome is fully functional or not, even partially functional will have an affect on the body. The Olympic committee have gone against the international boxing federation who banned him from competing against women. I would have assumed the boxing federation would have all the info yet the Olympic committee doesn’t want to lose face and be “all inclusive “. Wrong to describe them as trans.

ChateauMargaux · 02/08/2024 14:14

The IOC or Paris Boxing Unit do not require competitors to be XX or to have female levels of testosterone to be eligible to compete in the women’s category.

Those objecting, do not think that this is fair or safe. The overwhelming majority of sporting organisations, including athletics, swimming, and cycling, have implemented 'transition before puberty' and 'testosterone below 2.5nmol/L' rules for eligibility into the female category.

Mark Adams is defending the position that identity takes priority and eligibility to participate in the female category should be based on identity.

His statement on 'returning to the bad old days of sex verification' is disingenuous:
Sex verification does not require medical doctors to inspect genitals before a race. It requires a cheek swab / blood test which is no more invasive than peeing in a cup for the drug testing.

As is his statement on women with high levels of testosterone:
Healthy males have between 10 and 35 nmol/L of testosterone, healthy females have between 0.5 and 2.4 nnol/L. To say anything else is a distortion of the truth. Anything outside of that should require medical sign off.

The boxers and footballers in question have not claimed to be XY, to have testosterone levels below 2.4nmol/L or to have transitioned before puberty.

The Court of Arbitration of Sport concluded that it is reasonable to have restrictions to preserve fairness and safety of the female class.

The IOC, Paris Boxing Unit and FIFA are out of step with this conclusion and out of step with the major sporting organisations.

woofyoof · 02/08/2024 14:15

DelilahBucket · 02/08/2024 14:01

The comments on Nicola Adams' X post make for interesting reading. He groped Carini's breast at the end of the match. We've seen men pat each other on the chest after a sporting event, let's face it, a woman would never do that for obvious reasons! He literally sexually assaulted her!
I just can't believe this is happening. It's frightening.

Honestly it looks like a pat (going for the arm/shoulder?), not a sexual assault.

ChateauMargaux · 02/08/2024 14:17

Slighlty more flippantly, the IOC cares more about horses than it does about women. After the mistreatement of a horse at the modern pentathlon, this event was banned from the Olympics and has been replaced by Modern Pentathlon without an equestrian activity.

Shortshriftandlethal · 02/08/2024 14:18

I'm trying to locate the image of the Taiwanese boxer in his normal day clothes, that was posted yesterday. He was wearing a blue suit. Can anyone direct me to where it is, please?

Shortshriftandlethal · 02/08/2024 14:19

woofyoof · 02/08/2024 14:15

Honestly it looks like a pat (going for the arm/shoulder?), not a sexual assault.

Edited

My interpretation of that was that he was doing instinctively what male boxers do at the end of a match...and that is patting the chest. This says to me that he regularly spars with men.

DelilahBucket · 02/08/2024 14:20

woofyoof · 02/08/2024 14:15

Honestly it looks like a pat (going for the arm/shoulder?), not a sexual assault.

Edited

You would think another human being would know where a shoulder is versus where a breast is.

lonelywater · 02/08/2024 14:20

the cynic in me (I know, its hard to believe) wonders if this shit show is a ploy on the part of the IOC to bin boxing? What with it being "controversial" (as if)

1apenny2apenny · 02/08/2024 14:21

It's easy to 'throw' a match and then say you were beaten. The game plan would have been well thought through. I think Caster Semenya lost some runs too.

I mean a fully trained, focused and experienced woman athlete will beat a mediocre man/one with less experience/less training sometimes.

DelilahBucket · 02/08/2024 14:21

Shortshriftandlethal · 02/08/2024 14:19

My interpretation of that was that he was doing instinctively what male boxers do at the end of a match...and that is patting the chest. This says to me that he regularly spars with men.

This is what it reminded me of too.

WickedSerious · 02/08/2024 14:21

Christinapple · 02/08/2024 12:39

Carini wasn't able to beat Imane, but 9 other women were. Maybe Carini just wasn't up to Olympic standard?

"Women’s rights do not include males that know they are male"

Imane is not male.

Maybe this Imane bloke should train harder until he reaches a standard where he's qualified to fight other blokes.

CaveMum · 02/08/2024 14:28

Anyone got Discovery+? The Taiwanese boxer is about to take part.

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 02/08/2024 14:30

DelilahBucket · 02/08/2024 14:21

This is what it reminded me of too.

Me three. He’s just not thinking that his opponent is a woman. Unaware of how different that gesture is when you are a woman, like he’s supposed to be.

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 02/08/2024 14:30

CaveMum · 02/08/2024 14:28

Anyone got Discovery+? The Taiwanese boxer is about to take part.

I was hoping there’d be a thread on it.

Zeugma · 02/08/2024 14:32

Shortshriftandlethal · 02/08/2024 14:18

I'm trying to locate the image of the Taiwanese boxer in his normal day clothes, that was posted yesterday. He was wearing a blue suit. Can anyone direct me to where it is, please?

Edited

It’s on the Instagram account. @boxing_ting

CaveMum · 02/08/2024 14:34

BBC are showing the fight live on iPlayer now.

MoleAtTheCounter · 02/08/2024 14:34

I have looked at KJK's YouTube channel and she is not live for this one. Does anyone have a link for those without D+ ?

woofyoof · 02/08/2024 14:35

Thing is, women are disadvantaged against men in this style of fighting in general. This style favours men. They have longer reach. Thicker skulls. The only way for her is if she got up close and personal with locks etc, or ground work where she can use her legs. Or keep her distance, out of this reach completely. But you can't do those in boxing.

Naunet · 02/08/2024 14:36

The commentators are making me sick, shame on them for colluding in this.

Motorina · 02/08/2024 14:38

I had to stop watching it. I didn't know who would be which colour but it was obvious from the first seconds which was the man.

ArtFartGunkel · 02/08/2024 14:40

I am watching this one live with my previously wokeyblokey son, who peaked yesterday and is now cheering the Uzbekistan girl on.

duc748 · 02/08/2024 14:44

Watching now.

Zeugma · 02/08/2024 14:46

‘This girl’

FFS

Total and utter disgrace

Francesgumm · 02/08/2024 14:47

Omg - the commentators ! How can they ?! He’s not a girl FFS !

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