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TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Signalbox · 28/07/2024 07:31

Surely this cannot be true. In boxing of all sports. I thought boxing had told men they needed to compete with other men?

”Two athletes competing at the Paris Olympics as “women” were previously disqualified from a women’s world championship for having “XY chromosomes.” Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan are scheduled to compete in Olympic women’s boxing next week despite past questions surrounding their biological sex.”

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/08/2024 11:37

Collidascope · 02/08/2024 11:17

This might have already been mentioned (not rtft) but Hergie Bacyadan, a trans man who competes against women quite rightly as not on testosterone, has also said that males shouldn't be fighting in the female category.
TRAs were bringing Hergie up yesterday, wondering why "transphobes" don't have an issue with her. Erm, because she's competing in the correct category...?

They're not the brightest sparks.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 02/08/2024 11:38

PronounssheRa · 02/08/2024 11:26

All this nonsense about a passport. Does Mark realise how easy it is to get the sex marker changed on a passport?

In the UK you just need a letter from a doctor, job done. I'm sure there will be plenty of private providers willing to do that for a few quid.

To be competely accurate, if you don't have a GRC you need a doctor's letter and evidence of any name change (such as a payslip or council tax bill).

Snowypeaks · 02/08/2024 11:40

NoBinturongsHereMate · 02/08/2024 11:38

To be competely accurate, if you don't have a GRC you need a doctor's letter and evidence of any name change (such as a payslip or council tax bill).

And funnily enough, the one thing you don't need is to actually be female.

WickedSerious · 02/08/2024 11:44

Boiledbeetle · 02/08/2024 11:31

I haven't got a passport at the moment

😱

Excuse me whilst I go have an existential crisis.

I'm neither man nor woman!

I din't have one for six years,them was tough times.

Retiredfromthere · 02/08/2024 11:46

Really worried about the fight this afternoon. The Taiwanese fighter did not even attempt to appeal the IAB decision in 2023.They are (according to this Independent press report, double world champion). They were part way through the competition. If they were female they would surely have appealed. (Khelif appealed and then withdrew the appeal). This may be the better boxer of the two.

For those who say why was Khelif rated so low in 2019 if they had a physical advantage. That was 5 years ago. Five years more skill training and growing up. Now 25. That is still young. If this is still not sorted by next Olympics who will want to get into the ring with a male in his prime (that is 28 by boxing standards at lower weights - according to my web search).

https://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=238440

DialSquare · 02/08/2024 11:49

Boiledbeetle · 02/08/2024 11:31

I haven't got a passport at the moment

😱

Excuse me whilst I go have an existential crisis.

I'm neither man nor woman!

That makes you non binary then!
I always knew you were special, Boiled, just not exactly how special.

quantumbutterfly · 02/08/2024 11:50

Omlettes · 02/08/2024 07:50

Man

Is that picture real????Shock

CaveMum · 02/08/2024 11:52

Retiredfromthere · 02/08/2024 11:46

Really worried about the fight this afternoon. The Taiwanese fighter did not even attempt to appeal the IAB decision in 2023.They are (according to this Independent press report, double world champion). They were part way through the competition. If they were female they would surely have appealed. (Khelif appealed and then withdrew the appeal). This may be the better boxer of the two.

For those who say why was Khelif rated so low in 2019 if they had a physical advantage. That was 5 years ago. Five years more skill training and growing up. Now 25. That is still young. If this is still not sorted by next Olympics who will want to get into the ring with a male in his prime (that is 28 by boxing standards at lower weights - according to my web search).

https://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=238440

I really hope the other female boxers are talking to each other behind the scenes about this and formulating some sort of plan/protest. A mass refusal to compete in any match? Just all sit on the canvas and wait the fight time out? If both competitors refuse to fight then they can’t award the match to one or the other.

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 02/08/2024 11:52

Boiledbeetle · 02/08/2024 11:31

I haven't got a passport at the moment

😱

Excuse me whilst I go have an existential crisis.

I'm neither man nor woman!

Existential cricis? Don't worry, I'll get my coat.

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 02/08/2024 11:54

"I really hope the other female boxers are talking to each other behind the scenes about this and formulating some sort of plan/protest. A mass refusal to compete in any match? Just all sit on the canvas and wait the fight time out? If both competitors refuse to fight then they can’t award the match to one or the other."

Agree. Maybe the cheating men will be forced to fight themselves. 🤔

lcakethereforeIam · 02/08/2024 11:56

These TM competing, correctly, in the female categories, I wonder what it says on their passports?

murasaki · 02/08/2024 12:06

Good point, if the transman has m in their passport, according to the IOC they shouldn't be in the women's competition. Despite it being the right place for them to be.

Double standards. They know what they're doing.

MarieDeGournay · 02/08/2024 12:14

I've just seen that Khelif's home boxing club in Algeria is called 'Civil Safety Boxing Club'.. The irony!

SabrinaThwaite · 02/08/2024 12:14

This bit in the IOC q&a session stood out to me - there are women with higher T levels than men? Really? How unwell would they both have to be for that to happen?

TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”
ChaChaChooey · 02/08/2024 12:15

A woman with testosterone higher than a man needs a doping test!

PoshCoffee · 02/08/2024 12:18

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 02/08/2024 10:55

Mark Adams has brushed it off and said a woman athlete is being stigmatised

This really stands out. Someone should follow the money cos there's no logic to be found here. Why dig in so hard? What else is going on?

This is pure speculation, I have no evidence of this, but one of the ways to make people or organisations say and do stupid things is to give them lots and lots of money to do it.
Like the money that was given to Stonewall to pivot to gender ideology.
Nothing else makes sense and I would very much like someone, somewhere to do some digging.

Christinapple · 02/08/2024 12:24

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/08/02/amy-broadhurst-imane-khelif-olympics/

For those saying it's "unfair" for Imane to compete against women, is it worth pointing out Imane has been beaten by 9 women before? Including Irish boxer Amy Broadhurst who has spoken in support of her.

Also this "A spokesperson for the International Olympic Committee confirmed on 1 August that Khelif’s participation in Paris was “not a transgender issue”.

And lastly, Imane is from a very anti-LGBT country, so those who keep incorrectly saying or implying she is a man or trans could be putting her safety at risk. Doesn't "women's rights" include women with a hormone/chromosome disorder, or should those women be "thrown under the bus" because it's an excuse to be transphobic?

Irish boxer who beat Imane Khelif in 2022 defends former Olympic rival

Irish boxer Amy Broadhurst has defended former rival Imane Khelif in 2022 amid a social media storm over the Algerian's Olympic appearance.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/08/02/amy-broadhurst-imane-khelif-olympics

NoBinturongsHereMate · 02/08/2024 12:30

This bit in the IOC q&a session stood out to me - there are women with higher T levels than men? Really? How unwell would they both have to be for that to happen?

If 'woman' is someone with F in their passport and 'man' is someone with M in theirs, then this is a true statement and requires nobody to be unwell or doping.

SabrinaThwaite · 02/08/2024 12:35

@Christinapple Well let’s just throw women like Angela Carini under the bus then? Let’s put women at risk of serious harm because sporting bodies are unable to ensure safety and fairness?

Women’s rights do not include males that know they are male but knowingly cheat anyway. That’s the opposite of women’s rights. Your claim of ‘transphobia’ is quite clearly bollocks in this case.

Christinapple · 02/08/2024 12:39

SabrinaThwaite · 02/08/2024 12:35

@Christinapple Well let’s just throw women like Angela Carini under the bus then? Let’s put women at risk of serious harm because sporting bodies are unable to ensure safety and fairness?

Women’s rights do not include males that know they are male but knowingly cheat anyway. That’s the opposite of women’s rights. Your claim of ‘transphobia’ is quite clearly bollocks in this case.

Carini wasn't able to beat Imane, but 9 other women were. Maybe Carini just wasn't up to Olympic standard?

"Women’s rights do not include males that know they are male"

Imane is not male.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 02/08/2024 12:39

Mark Adams seems to have friends in high places

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/02/mark-adams-official-ioc-olympics-boxing-row-starmer-friend/

Official at centre of Olympics boxing gender row was Keir Starmer’s best man
Mark Adams, spokesman for the IOC who warned against a ‘witch hunt’ towards Imane Khelif, has known the PM since school

"The official at the centre of the Olympic boxing gender roww_ was one of Sir Keir Starmer’s best men at his wedding.
Mark Adams, the spokesman for the International Olympic Committee (IOC)), has known the Prime Minister since the two men were at school together.
Mr Adams expressed concerns earlier this week about a “witch hunt” against boxers Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting, who have previously failed gender eligibility tests.
On Thursday the Italian boxer Angela Carini was forced to abandon a fight against Khelif at the games in Paris, claiming she had been hit so hard by her opponent that she feared for her lifee
.
The IOC faced widespread condemnationn_ for placing Carini, who had a suspected broken nose, in a position of danger.
Responding to Khelif’s victory on Thursday, Mr Adams told reporters: “Testosterone is not a perfect test. Many women can have testosterone which is in what would be called ‘male levels’ and still be women, and still compete as a woman.

“So this panacea, this idea that you do one test for testosterone, that’s not the case I’m afraid. But each sport needs to deal with its issues, they know their sports and their disciplines the best and they need to target and tailor I should say the testing and so on.
“But I hope we’re all agreed we’re not calling for people to go back to the bad old days of sex testing, which was a terrible thing to do and I’m sure we all agree that’s not the way forward in this situation.”

He went on to insist “this is not a transgender issuee_” and criticise “misreporting” of the row, which has cast a shadow over the Paris Olympics."

The shower of shit continues at link above Angry

ahjeez · 02/08/2024 12:40

"And lastly, Imane is from a very anti-LGBT country, so those who keep incorrectly saying or implying she is a man or trans could be putting her safety at risk. Doesn't "women's rights" include women with a hormone/chromosome disorder, or should those women be "thrown under the bus" because it's an excuse to be transphobic?"

So conservative, yet Imane presents highly masculine, wears western male clothing, does not wear any form of female religious clothing which could possibly be expected in such a strict country as people are keen to point out?* Also, as has been pointed out several times, Imane is believed to have XY chromosomes which is why these "eligibility tests" were failed, and therefore could potentially have a DSD which effects men. This would also not be evident until puberty, hence why pictures show Imane in pictures in very feminine clothing.

*of course, this should not be an issue, many women wear "masculine" clothing, and not all Muslim women wear religious clothing. Yet, considering people are saying things like Algeria doesn't tolerate "gender nonconformity" in any way, it seems surprising that Imane would be so masculine presenting. I again stress, it shouldn't matter, but this keeps cropping up.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 02/08/2024 12:41

Christinapple · 02/08/2024 12:39

Carini wasn't able to beat Imane, but 9 other women were. Maybe Carini just wasn't up to Olympic standard?

"Women’s rights do not include males that know they are male"

Imane is not male.

you are bonkers - the fact that some women can beat some men in a boxing match, or a race or any other sporting endeavour is irrelevant. The women's category (in all sports at all levels) should be for females only.

Christinapple · 02/08/2024 12:46

ahjeez · 02/08/2024 12:40

"And lastly, Imane is from a very anti-LGBT country, so those who keep incorrectly saying or implying she is a man or trans could be putting her safety at risk. Doesn't "women's rights" include women with a hormone/chromosome disorder, or should those women be "thrown under the bus" because it's an excuse to be transphobic?"

So conservative, yet Imane presents highly masculine, wears western male clothing, does not wear any form of female religious clothing which could possibly be expected in such a strict country as people are keen to point out?* Also, as has been pointed out several times, Imane is believed to have XY chromosomes which is why these "eligibility tests" were failed, and therefore could potentially have a DSD which effects men. This would also not be evident until puberty, hence why pictures show Imane in pictures in very feminine clothing.

*of course, this should not be an issue, many women wear "masculine" clothing, and not all Muslim women wear religious clothing. Yet, considering people are saying things like Algeria doesn't tolerate "gender nonconformity" in any way, it seems surprising that Imane would be so masculine presenting. I again stress, it shouldn't matter, but this keeps cropping up.

Wearing the hijab is optional in Algeria.

biddyboo · 02/08/2024 12:46

Retiredfromthere · 02/08/2024 11:46

Really worried about the fight this afternoon. The Taiwanese fighter did not even attempt to appeal the IAB decision in 2023.They are (according to this Independent press report, double world champion). They were part way through the competition. If they were female they would surely have appealed. (Khelif appealed and then withdrew the appeal). This may be the better boxer of the two.

For those who say why was Khelif rated so low in 2019 if they had a physical advantage. That was 5 years ago. Five years more skill training and growing up. Now 25. That is still young. If this is still not sorted by next Olympics who will want to get into the ring with a male in his prime (that is 28 by boxing standards at lower weights - according to my web search).

https://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=238440

Boxing is due to be dropped for the next Olympics in LA, as far as I'm aware. So that will solve this tricky issue for the IOC, without them having to take decisive action and do the right thing.

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