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TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Signalbox · 28/07/2024 07:31

Surely this cannot be true. In boxing of all sports. I thought boxing had told men they needed to compete with other men?

”Two athletes competing at the Paris Olympics as “women” were previously disqualified from a women’s world championship for having “XY chromosomes.” Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan are scheduled to compete in Olympic women’s boxing next week despite past questions surrounding their biological sex.”

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MrsTerryPratchett · 02/08/2024 01:18

SabrinaThwaite · 02/08/2024 01:08

And just when you thought that Billy Bragg couldn’t be more of arsehole.

I'd like him to specify which marginalised community he's referring to. The answer would be illuminating.

Genesis1v27 · 02/08/2024 01:19

Twitchy is a conservative-leaning American site which monitors and packages posts on X/Twitter. Here's one of their reports on today's disgraceful event:

HORRIFIC: Man Beating on a Woman in Olympic Boxing Shows the Insanity of Title IX 'Revisions'

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/08/2024 01:26

And just when you thought that Billy Bragg couldn’t be more of arsehole.

He's doing it entirely deliberately, for attention.

StealthSpinach · 02/08/2024 04:09

I just tried to post a comment on The Courier Mail latest article about the “gender firestorm”.

It has been rejected multiple times as containing one or more banned words.

So, in response especially to the last few sentences of the article:

“Olympic officials would have cringed at Carini saying she had to quit to safeguard her life.
The truth is it was not her life in danger but the very competition she was taking part in.”

This was my comment -

It was her life in danger, though - a XY body and strength could easily severely injure, maim or kill a female (Xx) boxer.

No one cares what “gender” someone wants to present as - live your life however you want, call yourself whatever you prefer, wear whatever clothes make you happy. Everyone should be free to express their personality however they like.

Science, medicine and fact underpin the basis of reality, though, with it simply not possible for a biological male (XY chromosomes) to “become” a biological female (XX chromosomes). Regardless of the legal fiction of “changing” their gender on their birth certificate or passport, males cannot change sex, only their gender presentation.

Even in the tragic circumstances where an XY individual is born with a DSD (Differences of Sexual Development), and is erroneously brought up as a female - their biology, their strength, length, span, gait, organs, etc remains male.

Males should not compete against females in boxing (or any other sport), due to their different physiology. The sexes are fundamentally different, and a male with XY chromosomes will retain male biological advantages in strength, etc regardless of whether they wear a dress or trousers, regardless of what they call themselves, or how they were raised.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/olympics/paris-2024-gender-controversy-could-be-knockout-blow-for-boxing-at-olympics/news-story/e67b872a7111c7b0887ae714bc693346

WickedSerious · 02/08/2024 07:38

SabrinaThwaite · 02/08/2024 01:08

And just when you thought that Billy Bragg couldn’t be more of arsehole.

JFC,he'd be dangerous if he had talent.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 02/08/2024 07:44

Signalbox · 02/08/2024 00:26

I wonder if Lisa Nandy is still of the opinion that the culture wars are over?

Or that sports have this issue right? Let's ask her how "expert" they are!

"Nandy suggested that it should be up to sporting bodies, not the government,,_ to decide whether biological males could compete against women, arguing that “we ought to respect the fact that they’re far more expert in making those judgments and decisions than we are”."

www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2024/07/26/government-has-a-role-in-ensuring-fairness-in-sport/

Signalbox · 02/08/2024 07:44

More people are peaking.

TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”
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CaveMum · 02/08/2024 07:45

Datun · 01/08/2024 23:41

I hope the headlines are on it tomorrow morning. This is going to keep going, because he has other women to fight

Not just another woman for him
to fight, there’s the Taiwanese male boxer fighting against a woman from Uzbekistan at 2.30pm this afternoon too.

Omlettes · 02/08/2024 07:49

Signalbox · 02/08/2024 07:44

More people are peaking.

Wow, she took her time, but finally at least she admits it!

Omlettes · 02/08/2024 07:50

Man

TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”
Zeugma · 02/08/2024 07:51

I felt absolutely awful about this complete outrage yesterday so I can’t even begin to think how Carini's coping with all of it. But what’s really made my head explode is the truly mind-blowing levels of lunacy on X.

People - adult people with serious, grown-up jobs and families, according to their bios - raving that Khelif is a woman, has a uterus, has had a baby (wtf?), and on and on and on. It’s incredible. Obviously I knew people were deluded but the level of capture is frightening. A whole generation, maybe two, has been brainwashed by all this lunacy.

Btw, Angela is on Instagram, and while she hasn’t posted, there are 20k comments on her most recent post from 2021. Plenty of jeering ones from fuckwits, as expected, but many more massively supportive.

Ohyoudodoyou · 02/08/2024 07:51

I posted about this on social media, and with IBA statement and a few people liked it but someone I know then went on to their page ranting about transphobes and saying anyone who said it was a man should fuck off.
Until that point no one had mentioned trans! Bye Felicia 👋🏻

Ohyoudodoyou · 02/08/2024 07:54

SabrinaThwaite · 02/08/2024 01:08

And just when you thought that Billy Bragg couldn’t be more of arsehole.

We shouldn't engage with him he's clearly excitedly rubbing his hands up and down his thighs in anticipation of abusing women publicly.

highame · 02/08/2024 07:56

Signalbox · 02/08/2024 00:26

I wonder if Lisa Nandy is still of the opinion that the culture wars are over?

I was asking myself the same question. Does she still hold the opinion that XY = woman if XY says it does? Looking forward to hearing what Nandy has to say especially with her job description probably requiring a response at some point.

How does all this square with our crisis of VAWG?

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 02/08/2024 07:57

Signalbox · 02/08/2024 07:44

More people are peaking.

Boris Becker too. Had he already peaked and we missed it?

UpThePankhurst · 02/08/2024 07:58

I see we actually have people on this thread insisting that women kindly and nicely tolerate men injuring women rather than be disrespectful to men.

It's all very useful sunlight, do crack on.

WarriorN · 02/08/2024 07:59

Wow Twitter is really on fire about this

TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”
highame · 02/08/2024 08:01

and and and

I thought Seb Coe had been making lots of statements about fairness to women, I thought all of this was resolved? Suddenly, of all the sports to pit a biological male against a female, they decide boxing is fine!!!

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 02/08/2024 08:02

Justin Webb covering the papers on R4

x.com/journalismseen/status/1819266180990869654?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 02/08/2024 08:11

FPFW say their X posts are being filleted. Looks like a pattern now, whereby IOC get precious about "copyright" when people say things they don't like:

x.com/fairplaywomen/status/1819212265104576941?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/fairplaywomen/status/1819267749463421177?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

fromorbit · 02/08/2024 08:22

This is going to be way way bigger than Lia Thomas. We are talking world peaking level.

The Mail's coverage is most detailed: Various useful details here

Inside the tough childhood of 'biologically male' boxer Imane Khelif whose 46-second demolition of female rival sparked fury: How she sold bread on the street for cash and was told the sport was 'only for men' but wanted to 'show what a brave woman I am'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13700783/Inside-tough-childhood-biologically-male-boxer-Imane-Khelif.html

Aussie Olympic boxer Harry Garside reveals fear is gripping his female teammates as they call out 'biologically male' Iman Khelif's 'dangerous' 46-second demolition of Angela Carini

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article-13700521/Aussie-Olympic-boxer-Harry-Garside-reveals-fear-gripping-female-teammates-call-biologically-male-Iman-Khelifs-dangerous-46-second-demolition-Angela-Carini.html

Logan Paul started well - men shouldn't fight women, then gave up as soon as he got pushback.

Logan Paul admits to ‘spreading misinformation’ after calling Algerian boxer a man

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/logan-paul-imane-khelif-olympics-boxing-tweet-b2589986.html

Inside the tough childhood of Algerian boxer Imane Khelif

The 'biologically male' athlete told how she rose from selling bread on the the streets of her Algerian village to become a sporting hero.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13700783/Inside-tough-childhood-biologically-male-boxer-Imane-Khelif.html

Signalbox · 02/08/2024 08:24

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 02/08/2024 07:57

Boris Becker too. Had he already peaked and we missed it?

I'd certainly missed it.

TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”
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CaveMum · 02/08/2024 08:31

The male athletes are starting to stand up, Daley Thomson and Chris Tomlinson have spoken out for a long time (I’m sure there are others). Boris B and Barry McGuigan have now stuck their heads above the parapet and I’d hope, now that he’s retired, Andy Murray won’t be far behind - hopefully Judy will give him a shove.

I was hopeful Nicola Adams was about to speak up last night, but she went very quiet despite saying on Twitter she had something to say.

WarriorN · 02/08/2024 08:37

Nicola Adams

TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”
TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”
ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 02/08/2024 08:38

Nicola Adams!! ❤️

x.com/nicolaadamsobe/status/1819270612646281642?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

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