TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Surely this cannot be true. In boxing of all sports. I thought boxing had told men they needed to compete with other men?

”Two athletes competing at the Paris Olympics as “women” were previously disqualified from a women’s world championship for having “XY chromosomes.” Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan are scheduled to compete in Olympic women’s boxing next week despite past questions surrounding their biological sex.”

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Carini: "I fought very often in the national team. I train with my brother. I've always fought against men, but I felt too much pain today."

This is why I'd rather fight a man who knows he's a man. Because mostly they will hold back, and I bet the men Carini fought didn't put full effort into their punches. But the men who think they're just a "different type of woman" seem to feel free to get properly stuck in.

Looks like a bloke
Chromosomes male.

It's a man.

I just watched that bout. It made me feel nauseous.

Hats off to Angela Carini for pulling out. Utterly appalling that she was expected to fight someone built like a bloke with XY chromosomes and loads of testosterone.

JKR's latest is going massively viral along with many other comments.

J.K. Rowling
Could any picture sum up our new men’s rights movement better? The smirk of a male who’s knows he’s protected by a misogynist sporting establishment enjoying the distress of a woman he’s just punched in the head, and whose life’s ambition he’s just shattered.

Elon Musk has commentated as well.
J.K. Rowling, Elon Musk Criticize Olympics After Algeria’s Imane Khelif Wins Women’s Boxing Match Amid Gender Controversy: ‘A Misogynist Sporting Establishment’
https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/jk-rowling-imane-khelif-olympics-boxer-gender-controversy-angela-carini-1236092812/

Now the drama is being used as a theme in US election discussions on X to target the democrats. Only a matter of time till Trump weighs in.

More details on next round:

Boxing-Algerian boxer's next opponent 'not scared' as gender debate boils
https://www.reuters.com/sports/olympics/boxing-algerian-boxers-next-opponent-not-scared-gender-debate-boils-2024-08-01/

I suggest any male who says or thinks he's a woman has, in fact, very little to no empathy with actual women - in fact quite the contrary. If they identified 'with' women, rather than 'as' women, they'd never do this.

I don't care that he was incorrectly brought up female and thinks he is a female. He isn't and punching a real female in the face causing her to stop the fight after 46 seconds due to his strength is not a win for him. He is biologically male.

Sharron Davies MBE
I’ve just done a bbc interview & several facts were presented wrong to me. These boxers did not have testosterone tests they had gender/sex tests. They were banned because they came back with an Y chromosome result. Testosterone levels are an utter red herring in all of this. Castor Semenya as per the written CASS report also states the ruling only applies to individuals with 46XY 5ARD - a DSD which only affects biological males. CS does not have unusual levels of testosterone for a female they have normal levels for a male. The facts the MSM must start to report correctly so the general public are properly informed about the biology of the individuals when biology in sport is what matters so very much. Non of this is the fault of the DSD athletes of course, but once they know they are biologically male they also know they have an unfair & potentially dangerous advantage. Bring back simple once in a lifetime cheek swab sex screening as female athletes want & stop the vile circus which benefits no one caused 100 % by the IOC.

Channel 4 about to report on the controversy. In the women’s boxing.

Anecdotes aren't data - but

I have just been sent a link from a family member to the IBA announcement, along with supportive comments from him. Given that up until now he has tended to roll his eyes a bit at all this 'gender stuff', this is a real change.

Hopefully this boxing event will have pushed a lot more people towards peaking.

Sitting on the fenc fut they did finish with a quote from Carlini about it not being fair can’t remember verbatim, at least on mainstream media

It said they "did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognised test, whereby the specifics remain confidential".

Why the secrecy about an official test? Was it as crude as checking for a penis? Why no testosterone test? This is a complete farce.

Our government should be making a comment on this situation. How can they say they are committed to reducing violence against women but then turn a blind eye to a biological male beating a women in the name of sport?

BBC olympic coverage just gave the boxing situation a detailed piece.!

funny how quiet Lisa Nandy seems to be.....

Would a teenage girl/woman be encouraged to take up boxing in such a 'repressive' culture/family dynamic? This individual is from a rural community in a Muslim country. Where does Islam stand on female boxers?

I've tried to establish their biography and training trajectory and it just says their father didn't approve of girls boxing and that they had to travel to a neighbouring village to train. It seems unlikely that a neighbouring village would have a facility or be prepared to train a girl (surely they were the only one in the area) unless it's a typo.

Did they train alongside the boys? Did they attend private sessions? This all sounds very open minded for such a 'repressive' region and culture. Other forums are full of cries of transphobia and 'do you really think a Muslim country would put forward a fake female boxer/that her family would fake her being a girl' which rather misses the point. Why would such a culture support and fund a female boxer in the first place? It doesn't sound like her family have the means to fund them.

I was actually interested in how they progressed in their sport as a teenager (this information is not hard to find for other competitors) but there's precious little out there. I wondered if they'd moved to the capital or another country to train early on in their career.

I can't actually express how upset and angry I am over this. Even if, and it's a big fucking if, this is the catalyst that enforces change and protection for women athletes, it isn't worth it is it. That poor fucking woman was destroyed today. I am utterly filled with rage.

I've been watching the late evening highlights on the BBC. Interesting to see it they'll address it or ignore/gloss over.

It couldn't possibly be scouts looking for males that can be passed off as women in order to win competitions.

Oh no, never

Me too. It must be soul destroying for the athletes. So many women’s lives marked by this ongoing misogynistic corruption.

Does anyone know if it's just men with DSDs that are allowed to box against women under the current rules or would they also have allowed men without DSDs who claim to be women? If these rules are allowed to remain in place surely this will just create an arms race where every nation tries to find their own DSD male to compete?

The IOC doesn't really seem to be a sports organisation - they just identify as one.

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Thank you @NecessaryScene

AFAIK, Any man if the IOC recognised governing body of their sport allows it. World Swimming wrote their rules to prevent cheaters like William Thomas from being an Olympian. Other sports, like boxing, allow this.

It's a near certainty that Zambia has two males on their soccer team this year too.

It has occurred to me too.

Under the 'passport' rule of the IOC, anyone with documentation that said female would appear to have a free pass to crack on in the women's divisions. And we all know how very easy it is to have your sex of choice on your documentation these days.

The IOC's criteria are that it's 'anyone with 'female' written in their passport'.

The IOC doesn't really seem to be a sports organisation - they just identify as one.

They do keep identifying the Tokyo games, that took place in 2021, as Tokyo 2020. The IOC doesn't do reality.

Fuck this is bad for the future of women's boxing isn't it. If a passport can determine eligibility that's pretty much any man!