TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Surely this cannot be true. In boxing of all sports. I thought boxing had told men they needed to compete with other men?

”Two athletes competing at the Paris Olympics as “women” were previously disqualified from a women’s world championship for having “XY chromosomes.” Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan are scheduled to compete in Olympic women’s boxing next week despite past questions surrounding their biological sex.”

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Which makes a mockery of the IOC's only defence of Khelif and Lin Yu-ting, i.e. that they have female markers in their passports.

In that case, why aren't athletes in other events with F in their passports eligible for women's competitions, whatever the governing bodies say?

This is the reality of being able to change your paperwork to reflect your chosen reality instead of facts: it will now have to move to chromosome tests. Which are hated because they create clarity and someone who is not XX cannot then compete with women.

This is kind of the crux of why women have been screaming about the unfairness of self ID for the last 10 (+?) years.

So many things will be encroached upon. It's just the beginning if it's allowed to continue.

For those of you not on X/Twitter, J K Rowling's tweet today following the boxing match has had 44 million views, and Riley Gaines' (as in swimmer who had to compete against Lia Thomas) tweet supporting Angela Carini has had over 100 million views.

Boxing doesn't yet have a worldwide overarching governing body with a clear policy on this - it's made up of different bodies in different countries I think

If it did - I think the IOC would have to adopt their policy.

Other sports have a worldwide governing body with a policy so the IOC need to fall into line with that - only people who follow the governing body rules make it to the Olympics.

I think that's how it works anyway

But the IBA did ban these men didn't they? it's the IOC who have allowed this. Has anyone seen the eligibility criteria shared anywhere? Surely it must go beyond "it says f on their passport"?

https://www.iba.sport/news/statement-made-by-the-international-boxing-association-regarding-athletes-disqualifications-in-world-boxing-championships-2023/

But the IBA did ban these men didn't they? it's the IOC who have allowed this. Has anyone seen the eligibility criteria shared anywhere? Surely it must go beyond "it says f on their passport"?

Well, that's all the IOC spokesperson said in the clip on the BBC news. I'll try to find the video.

But the IBA did ban these men didn't they? it's the IOC who have allowed this. Has anyone seen the eligibility criteria shared anywhere? Surely it must go beyond "it says f on their passport"?

They've not revealed anything - I wouldn't be surprised if that's all it was, given that the IOC are directly making the rules here and:

The IOC framework states that there should be “no presumption of advantage” based on “biological or physiological characteristics,” and that eligibility criteria should recognize individual-level differences in factors that impact performance and safety.

Paper by Tommy Lundberg, Ross Tucker and others on the IOC policy framework:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sms.14581

Podcast about it:

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/rugbys-radical-law-change-proposals-the-ioc-and/id1461719225?i=1000650935753

Oh, I see. Protest on her part.

I'm sure the refusal to shake hands was, but I'm not sure about the calling off of the fight. Against a female opponent she wouldn't have been in anything like the same situation.

Her head protection was punched out of place - the whole point of that stuff is it stays in place to, you know, protect. The punch must have been well above the force it was designed for. Other people who've fought the same opponent have said they've not faced a punch like it.

So 'what she would have done against a woman' isn't a reasonable comparison.

https://x.com/j4ppleby/status/1819086113539268975?t=_fosiwEutqJBtobuo_YhCw&s=19

"The International Olympic Committee (IOC) - which did not organise the World Championships but is running the boxing at Paris 2024 - said welterweight Khelif was disqualified in India because of elevated levels of testosterone."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cw0yvln9z00o

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) - which did not organise the World Championships but is running the boxing at Paris 2024 - said welterweight Khelif was disqualified in India because of elevated levels of testosterone."

Which is a lie.

The IBA statement says
"Point to note, the athletes did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential. This test conclusively indicated that both athletes did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors."

Bloody hell. How she didn't turn round swing for him at that point!

Exactly. Someone's telling porky pies.

And whatever happened to BBC "Verify".

I've just seen that full video. The creep eyeballed her and grabbed her breast as she tried to avoid him.
I thought I was angry earlier.

I know! But I'm sure it was accidental!!!!!

🤔😶😬🤐

I thik the problem is that boxing does have an overall governing body, with clear rules (like other sports, national bodies can make their own rules for national competitions). But it's a governing body that has been de-recognised by the IOC because of corruption.

Yes, it's like all those times I go to shake a man's hand and rub his nips instead. Happens all the time.

And even if it weren't a lie, the IOC should have carried out their own testosterone test to check.

The IOC doesn't recognise the IBA. They do recognise World Swimming. The IOC appears to want to drop boxing. And outside of the situation with these men, they appear to be making some very, very dodgy judgements in other boxing matches at the moment too.

I kind of think that the IOC may be deliberately undermining the integrity of boxing in order to justify dropping it for 2028.

But it's a governing body that has been de-recognised by the IOC because of corruption.

Oh the irony!

The International Boxing Association doesn't, but they were stripped of being able to govern boxing for the Olympics, so the IOC itself took over. They took on all the IBA guidelines - with the exception of the rules around sex.

It's because they are allowing the individual sporting governing bodies to set the rules for each sport, but they stripped the IBA (boxing association) of its power for the Olympics and took over instead.

Sharon Davies has tweeted that the IOC took on all the IBA's existing guidelines with the exception of the rules around sex classification.

You know what else is going to happen here? Trump will almost definitely highlight what happened here. Only yesterday he was reported as saying he plans to outright ban men in women's sport.

And I'm going to be very honest. If I was American, I genuinely think that this could be the moment where I would decide to hold my nose in November and go vote for him. I do not want another single woman to ever go through what Carini has suffered today. So I don't doubt that there is a significant number of actual Americans who will be feeling the same.