TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Surely this cannot be true. In boxing of all sports. I thought boxing had told men they needed to compete with other men?

”Two athletes competing at the Paris Olympics as “women” were previously disqualified from a women’s world championship for having “XY chromosomes.” Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan are scheduled to compete in Olympic women’s boxing next week despite past questions surrounding their biological sex.”

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Has there been any comment from Lisa Nandy?

Or Jess Phillips?

I just tried to watch this. The IOC have spiked it as copyrighted content, fucking bastards. There’s no guarantee they won’t quietly memory hole the whole bout if the furore gets embarrassing enough for them. They’re coming across as shady AF.

You are correct on all counts.

Bastards.

The similar threads has reminded me that US Boxing were going to let men fight women. Any word from them or from the US boxing team in the Olympics?

Sorry, but it makes me so angry.

That.

These two men would appear to be like Semenya: DSD but fully aware that they are men.

However if the IOC is going entirely on passport then what would have stopped any man identifying into the women's sports? Changing sex on your passport is a piece of piss these days.

The BBC piece surely contradicts itself anyway: it says

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) - which did not organise the World Championships but is running the boxing at Paris 2024 - said welterweight Khelif was disqualified in India because of elevated levels of testosterone.

But then further down it reports the IBA as saying

On Wednesday, the IBA said the pair were disqualified at the World Championships "to uphold the level of fairness and utmost integrity of the competition".
It said they "did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognised test, whereby the specifics remain confidential".

I think this lie - I won't say error - is worth a complaint.

I mean, so much more is - where do we start?! - but...

Could it be that the BBC's usual defence of "we cited a reliable source" falls down here on the basis that this is a story about the competence of the IOC - as such, to rely on its say-so without at least qualifying this as potentially partisan is inarguably problematic?

In other words, Duc, rendering the usual "oh, well, we trusted our source" indefensible...

https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1818965310327619629?s=19

This may work?

I've already complained.

Edit: or will do when the email verification message comes through. No sign of it yet, let's hope it's because they're a bit busy.

I did notice that the BBC report did not refer to Khelif as "she".

(Not "he" either, but small mercies...)

Males with certain DSDs have internal genitalia and may be assumed to be female at birth and brought up as a girl. Their testes (which are inside their body) still produce testosterone so they go through a form of male puberty and develop a more masculine body type and have masculine testosterone levels. This means they have a massive advantage over women in sports. (That's a simplified explanation. The NHS has information about DSDs if you're interested in finding out more)

Also, the BBC did show whathisface from the IOC saying eligibility was based on passports with less than total confidence and conviction.

So there is that.

Whatshisface could barely get the words out.

He knows.

Coward.

I stumbled across this from, of all things, the Hollywood Reporter

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/jk-rowling-paris-boxing-controversy-1235964201/

Cutting straight to what's important, JKR misgendered the wee petal Then quoting that bloke from the IOC at the end like it's some kind of gotcha. JKR, are you not being kind enough? Many happy returns for yesterday btw.

All women should refuse to compete with them. Fuck it.

Anna Luca Hamori, not criticising, but stating:
‘…it was her choice ... I know I won't do this, never in my life.’

I do hope she doesn’t have cause to regret that and she is safe on Saturday.

Well done to Marissa Williamson for speaking up:

“I think the IOC needs to take measures to ensure the safety of all athletes, not just one or two. All athletes."
Asked if athletes like Khelif should be allowed to compete in women's sport, Williamson said "the natural consequence" of having this issue was that a person should not compete at the Olympics.
"A natural consequence that you can't put other people at risk”

Read here as posted earlier. He is not lying there are photos of his upbringing as a girl. Algerians are posting them:
https://www.unicef.org/algeria/en/stories/top-female-boxer-imane-khelif-dreams-gold-inspire-young-people

This is a sort of tragic case. A boy with a DSD of some kind who would have been picked up as such in the modern west. Forced to live as a girl in a repressive society [a fetish for some trans types] finds an escape through sport. The only problem his escape lies through oppressing women. Truth comes out when older, but no-one can admit they screwed up.

I don't mean a long-term planned protest. I mean that when she found out she was fighting a man at the Olympics she gave herself the option to bail out early knowing that it would create a controversy. I watched the match and, I'm no expert but, I get the feeling she wouldn't have given up at the point she did if she had been fighting with a female opponent. She clearly thought it was unfair and she refused to congratulate Khelif. It feels like part self-preservation and part protest to me.

It'll be interesting to hear if she has anything else to says about it all at a later date.

That is exactly how I saw it.

I haven't seen or heard any BBC news or radio reports, but currently on their news website there's nothing about this on the front page, and nothing on the "Sport" front page either - it's hidden away under "Boxing". There they have 2 stories:

Boxer Khelif through as opponent abandons in 46 seconds

where they mention "elevated levels of testosterone", but don't tell us that's because he's actually a man, and from yesterday

Algeria condemn 'unethical targeting' of boxer over eligibility

I don't see any articles about "Outrage over male boxer punching woman in the face."

So the usual unbiased reporting from the BBC, then.

any Olympic historians here? Has there ever been a single recorded instance of a medal winner being booed to the rafters and/or being pelted with rotten fruit during the presentation ceremony?