TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Surely this cannot be true. In boxing of all sports. I thought boxing had told men they needed to compete with other men?

”Two athletes competing at the Paris Olympics as “women” were previously disqualified from a women’s world championship for having “XY chromosomes.” Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan are scheduled to compete in Olympic women’s boxing next week despite past questions surrounding their biological sex.”

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World at One 36:57 mins in
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0021jp

‘She quit after being hit with one solid right hand punch’

Then at the end he said,

‘ her nose had not been broken’.

‘She didn’t have a mark on her.’

‘Her eyes were crystal clear.’

‘She got hit a ? punch, and turned away’

No mention that the previous sports body’s objection to the opponent’s gender in regard to a women’s boxing match might have been that they were male.

No mention of what Carini herself had said about how she was affected by that punch.

Imagine BBC Radio 4 leaving people less informed than the DM.

Yes, this.

The reporting seems to strongly suggest it's a DSD. There were some (seemingly genuine) photos of Khelif as a child on X which seem to support this. My guess would be that the first indication of DSD would have been when the testosterone hit at puberty.

I have huge sympathy for Khelif and can understand why he would consider himself a woman. In most respects I would go along with what Kathleen Stock describes as this legal fiction/useful untruth and use his preferred pronouns and accept him as an honorary woman.

However, he absolutely cannot be allowed to compete against biological women.

Today's Science of Sport podcast (Ross Tucker) is very good.

Does anyone know Tyson Fury's stance on this? Could he challenge Bunce to a bout? A refusal by Bunce counts as cowardice.

@ScrollingLeaves that World at One link seems to have been removed?

In most respects I would go along with what Kathleen Stock describes as this legal fiction/useful untruth and use his preferred pronouns and accept him as an honorary woman.

Yet the reality of pronouns are rohypnol has contributed to the present mess we're in.

Yes, pronouns are the gateway drug as it were.

I just tried clicking the link I posted @IcakethereforeIamand it seemed to come up. Is that what you meant?

I wonder if you have to sign in to BBC iPlayer to get it? ( I did sign in.)

@ScrollingLeaves via official bbc comms?

What would be the best route?

So many Guardian comments deleted for “not abusing by community standards”.

Funny how the ones saying she should have “trained harder” are deemed to not break any rules.

good thread here which explains clearly that the boxer in question has a condition like Caster Semenya. That condition is a male, 46XY DSD: 5alpha Reductase Deficiency. We have known that this is the condition, since the World Athletics regulations and the testing of those regulations in the Court of Arbitration of Sport in 2019.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1818672525980676298.html

Just caught a man, probably fairly average in terms of knowledge about this issue, saying that Khelif just had a normal advantage within the spectrum of advantages that human beings have. Fuck all to do with the fact he's a man. Would not accept that he's a man.

Understood he had a DSD, but seems to genuinely believe that entitled him to fight as a woman, because 'Michael Phelps feet' reason.

The host said what if we see an increase in women being killed. And he replied that women are killed all the time in boxing!

And thought that an increase would be okay because the IOC would deal with it.

I'm sure they got him on because his views are extreme, but nonetheless, they're not that extreme, are they? Given a woman has to cede before it bloody happened.

Where community standards mean barefaced lies.

It's so disppointing. Several years ago, I emailed Katherine Viner re the women's football games (International.amd wsl) not featuring in the upcoming fixture lists, got a nice reply amd a change in the website. 6 or so years later, and here we are.

Quarter final confirmed it is Khelif vs Luca Anna Hamori, the Hungarian
Saturday at 16.22

https://olympics.com/en/paris-2024/results/boxing/women-s-66kg/qfnl000200--

Orban is going to go crazy with this. This is going to get extremely messy.

The Telegraph is attacking the BBC for bias

Olympics viewers left in dark by Eurosport and BBC failure to reference boxing gender row

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/tv/olympics-viewers-left-in-dark-by-eurosport-and-bbc-failure-to-reference-boxing-gender-row/ar-BB1r1nV6

I heard that @datun quite unbelievable and I was pleased that he was “questioned carefully” which really showed up his dangerous ignorance, deliberate or otherwise.

In a way, that's a helpful draw in that you're right, Orban, who is a bastard by many metrics, won't be quiet on this. Haven't Hungary also got the EU presidency at the moment? Sort of not relevant, but he has a platform for shouting.

Have done 👍

@ScrollingLeaves I got a 'page can't be found'. But I searched World at One and I found it. My, that man's a prick. I wonder if he's a friend of 'Kellie' Maloney.

I see that the social media disinformation has already started. Claims I've seen so far include:

• Khelif has given birth so must be female
• the IAB is corrupt which means that Khelif's sex test is wrong
• the IAB is controlled by Russians which means that Khelif's sex test is wrong
• Khelif has a uterus so must be female
• being trans is illegal in Algeria therefore Khelif must be female

All unevidenced of course.

I have huge sympathy for Khelif and can understand why he would consider himself a woman.

My sympathy for Khelif disappeared the moment they decided to step foot in a boxing ring to punch women.

I think the Guardian believes:

a) everybody agrees that trans women are women, apart from a tiny number of bigots
b) if it has a large number of people disagreeing in the comments, then it can somehow eliminate those people by deleting their comments. Look! Everyone agrees with us! You can see that from reading the comments!

How long can the Guardian, BBC etc sustain this lie?

We are in this position thanks in no small part to the fact that the myth of "women with naturally high testosterone" has been allowed to run without challenge. If people (aka the media) had made it clear that there is absolutely no overlap in the female/male range of testosterone, except in rare cases which usually indicate serious health issues, then we would be able to challenge these incidents whenever they came up with ease. We are still in a situation where a large % of the population believe Caster Semenya to be female despite all the evidence to the contrary.

I think previously there were female athletes that were rumoured to be either male or intersex, they won several gold medals and retired just before hormone testing started at Olympics. Soviet sisters, Tamara and I think Irina Press.

Made the mistake of looking on twitter. Apparently the issue is "cis women just think anyone who doesn't fit western beauty standards is a man", to paraphrase.

Try this:
Look up BBC Radio 4 ‘The World at One’

A BBC page comes up saying BBC Radio 4 - World at One.

Click on ‘episodes’.

A page for today’s programme comes up on top.

It’s title is ‘What’s behind the Southport Attack protests’

You’ll see ‘sign in’ or ‘register’.

Registering is easy if you haven’t before.

Once on to the programme, the the part about the Olympic boxing is at about 36:56 minutes in.