TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Surely this cannot be true. In boxing of all sports. I thought boxing had told men they needed to compete with other men?

”Two athletes competing at the Paris Olympics as “women” were previously disqualified from a women’s world championship for having “XY chromosomes.” Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan are scheduled to compete in Olympic women’s boxing next week despite past questions surrounding their biological sex.”

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How can the IOC gag them? They're journalists, they should be reporting especially on what powerful adverse interests don't want them to say!

Horrified to hear Steve Bunce today on WATO gleefully dismissing Carini's distress. There is a real problem in the reporting on BBC.

Angela Carini's coach just after the assault, speaking plainly:

I don't know if her nose is broken. I have to speak with the girl. But many people in Italy tried to call and tell her: "Don't go please: it's a man, it's dangerous for you."

I listened to the BBC 1 pm news, and they did report on the incident - but it was presented that the Italian boxer "withdrew".....and repeatedly referred to the Algerian boxer as "she", and seemed just to imply that it was an issue with '"testosterone levels" - not that the boxer is biologically and chromosomally male.

The women have to be exceptional and the men get to be utterly, utterly mediocre.

The IOC has demonstrated that global totalitarianism is possible, albeit in a fairly niche way.

How on earth they have such power defeats me. I realise that it's money, but they're seriously more powerful than all of the media organisations standing together and refusing to collude in this?

I'm sure some people out there - not here, obvs! - are going to question Carini's ability/commitment/ courage/whatever, to 'explain' why she stopped the fight.
Here's her record:
84 wins, 4 by knock-out
22 losses, none by knock-out
The no knock-outs stat is important because it shows she can take a punch. In normal circumstances.

I feel quite torn here - I know quite a bit about boxing because my favourite uncle was an amateur boxer, and I learnt a lot about it from him, but I don't approve of it as a 'sport'. The amateur version is just about bearable, but any sport where you get points for inflicting deliberate injury on another human being is questionable.
But do I cheer on Katie Taylor? Will I cheer on Michaela & co. in Paris? Yes I will. Do I feel huge sympathy for Angela Carini? Absolutely.

Conflicted? definitely!

I presume it is a case of ‘those are awfully nice studios you have at each venue, wouldn’t it be a shame if something happened to them…’

https://stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/Beyond-the-Games/Gender-Equality-in-Sport/IOC-Portrayal-Guidelines.pdf

this document advises the media on how to report stuff - some of it is actually quite good, but loads of it is shit e.g. the section on 'problematic language'

There are many common language difficulties when reporting on or writing about trans people and athletes with sex variations. Below are some of the most common missteps and harmful language practices to avoid.

TERMS TO AVOID: “born male”, “born female”, “biologically male”, “biologically female”, “genetically male”, “genetically female”, “male-to-female (MtF)”, “female-to-male” (FtM) Use of phrases like those above can be dehumanising and inaccurate when used to describe transgender sportspeople and athletes with sex variations. A person’s sex category is not assigned based on genetics alone and aspects of a person’s biology can be altered when they pursue gender-affirming medical care.

That poor bloody woman. A dedicated elite athlete forced to fight a cheating man by corrupt organisations. I'm so angry for her and every female athlete robbed of a place or recognition.

Men competing in women's sports is one thing. The IOC attempting to gag broadcasters with their dubious guidelines is quite another. Both are worthy news stories in their own right. Where's BBC Verify when you need it?

Dodging the issue or preparing to equivocate, judging by some past performances.

NB: I may also be judging by the performance of BBC's More or Less on occasion.

I heard that. Disgraceful. Why don't they simply say that she was injured by a man?

After the Huw Edwards business, the BBC is sinking ever low in my estimation.

I don’t know if it’s shouting into the void but if anyone wants to channel some anger at the IOC, you can contact the, here https://support.olympics.com/hc/en-gb/requests/new

Silly me for hoping that such an experienced boxing pundit would understand why a mixed-sex boxing match is a horrible idea.

That's very useful, thanks AlecTrevelyan006. It's useful to know what the IOC's justification is and what's demonstrably wrong about it e.g.:
A person’s sex category is not assigned based on genetics alone and aspects of a person’s biology can be altered when they pursue gender-affirming medical care.

oh if it in any way disadvantaged or upset the man involved they'd be passionately declaring the horribleness in stereo.

Sorry I'm confused. Is there anything about the Algerian boxer that makes them female at all? Is it genuinely ambiguous?

Report in the Times

www.thetimes.com/sport/olympics/article/angela-carini-imane-khelif-olympics-boxing-gender-row-tzfhz6jv0

https://archive.ph/tPju1 knockout the paywall

I think, with the IPSO guidelines, they're being as clear as they can.

The IOC 'problematic language' just demonstrates the fragility of their position.

And the quote from Mark Adams

what I would say is that this involves real people

What, real people who might get hurt? Well a real person was hurt.

His passport, according to the IOC. That's it.

He's accidentally said the quiet part out loud.

Namely, that he doesn't consider female humans to be real people. Only male humans are real people.

I heard Steve Bunce the boxing commentator on BBC R4 WATO. He was appalling. He said everyone knew about the Algerian and what 'her' status was and his tone was what's all the fuss about. He basically accused Carini of faking it. He said he saw no tears in the eyes, no blood and couldn't understand why she suddenly withdrew. He was awful.
I didn't get the impression Sarah Montague was in any hurry to get to the bottom of it. I hope Emma Barnett has the chance to pick this up on the Today programme and do some proper reporting.

And the IOC can, if they wish, withdraw credentials - and therefore access to events and venues - from individual journalists or whole media organisations who don't abide by the guidelines. The IOC also controls all filming and distribution of footage of events. If they cut off a media organisation entirely that would be a huge story and draw attention they don't want, but it's there as a possible threat.

So is this person anatomically male but was raised socially as a girl? Still confused.

The Telegraph has got a lot of coverage. Too many for me to archive but I suspect they won't add much to what has already been discussed here