Trans athletes take Gold, Silver and Bronze in women's cycling race

[HootyMcBooby]

Hulking transgender athletes take gold, silver and bronze spots on female podium at Virginia cycling championship | Daily Mail Online

"The sailing fan from British Columbia has worked as a Mechanical Engineering Technologist and was ranked 22nd in the men's Victoria Cycling League this time in 2023.
Second place went to Jenna Lingwood, 43, who raced as a man until 2017 and is now a member of the Oregon-based women's cyclocross squad Team S&M.
She is a physics graduate of the University of Washington who works in Portland for Intel as a Supply Chain R&D Engineer.

Californian Eva Lin, 28, used to race as Henry Lin for San Jose State University's men's team, but his placings have soared since he switched to its women's team in 2022"

Dirty rotten CHEATS
That is all.

Oh hang on, it never happens though.
I must be dreaming.

We understand that perfectly. I am happy with mixed sex events up to 12 in many sports where times and placings are separately recorded. It's not the ideal situation, but it's much better than no events which girls can take part in. For now, it's a good solution.

However, - just making a general point, here - puberty-blocked boys/men who have got to 16 or so will have their innate physical advantages and their mentality will have caught up. That is why older boys and men should not be in women's competition even if they have not gone through puberty.

The trans woman in the middle is obviously displaying their male genitalia, surely that trans woman is unwittingly shooting themselves in the foot there?

Emperor's new clothes has never been about clothes. It's always been about the ability to assert dominance through

• a naked display of power that compels people to speak against their own experience of what they see
• compelling the commissioning of service delivery and expenditure of public funds on clothes that have never existed and being forced to praise them.

They know they don't even have to bother trying.
All it takes are the magic words.

I'd not be surprised it was very very intentional as a giant "fingers up" to the women.
As in "there's nothing you can do about it".

@HootyMcBooby and @StickItInTheFamilyAlbum
I don't disagree at all with either of your responses, but surely they are overreaching. Don't they need the support of men in order to continue getting away with this?
It seems to me that increasingly they are being condemned by men as well as women?

It's just a giant middle finger, really.

Although do take into account how much padding there is in the crotch of men's racing cycle shorts.

It seems to me that increasingly they are being condemned by men as well as women?

A small number is still a small number. The 'condemnation' seems neither public nor numerous/loud. Daley Thompson is one of the very few men I recall seeing at the 'Woman's Place Is on the Podium' event at QE2. I've not seen an upswell in men speaking out about this but accept I may have been looking in the 'wrong' places.

Yes I had heard Daley is very supportive of Sharon Davies battle against men in female sports.
Someone may be able to come along with more details, but hasn't Caitlin Jenner also (as a former Olympic medalist) come out against trans women competing against females? I know they did in the past at least, not sure if their stance has changed under pressure from TRAs.

Why? Do biological men need more padding in that area? Doesn't that need just vanish with the magic gender feelz kick in? Along with the magic growing of a cervix?

I'm so confused. It's almost like biology matters.

TBH I think some university should do a study looking into the mysterious link between failing at men's sports and sudden onset gender dysphoria.

It's one of life's great mysteries. A bit like, although people with DSDs are very rare in the gen pop, why do they seem to be so heavily over-represented in women's elite sports?

Why? Do biological men need more padding in that area? Doesn't that need just vanish with the magic gender feelz kick in? Along with the magic growing of a cervix?

Anything I say on that subject would undoubtedly... have consequences. So I shall stay schtum.

72 trans-identifying males at the moment playing in the women's league in England, and not a single trans-identifying female playing in the men's league.

How odd.

Good listen, thanks.

I’m not asking you divert your pressure from female sport if you feel you can change that. All good imo

I couldn’t access Google the other day but on this do they not?

Looking up US gender recognition act took me to here

Gender Recognition Act 2015

The Act provides for recognition of changes of gender, issuance of gender recognition certificates, and conforming amendments to other legislation, including the Adoption Act 2010.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/women-and-justice/resource/gender_recognition_act_2015#:~:text=The%20Act%20provides%20for%20recognition,including%20the%20Adoption%20Act%202010.

@EasternStandard that's the Irish Gender Recognition Act 2015. Did you even bother clicking on the link? 🙄

Nope blame Google if it’s wrong

Second link

Although may be by state

To change your name, or both your name and gender on your birth certificate, you must go through the following steps:

1. Obtain a court order as described in the Name Change, Gender Change, or Name and Gender pages of this guide.

https://sdlawlibrary.libguides.com/c.php?g=1290765&p=9477431#:~:text=If%20you%20were%20born%20in,and%20Safety%20Code%20%C2%A7103426.

@LaeralSilverhand I’m not sure on your stance with this. You seem to accuse of others of ‘not caring’ when it comes to men in women’s sports when they clearly do.

But you seem to not care about changing sex via a GRC with gives males access. Why?

On your first point - good idea to always check links before you post them.

On your second point, because I truly think the GRA is irrelevant when it comes to sports. It is potentially relevant in other areas but in sport it matters not a jot for the simple reason that the sporting bodies that permit males to compete in female categories do so on the basis of self-ID - and would continue to do so in the absence of the GRA. If you believe that repealing the GRA, or even amending the EA to clarify that it is referring to biological sex is going to force sporting bodies to exclude males from female categories you are going to be very disappointed.

There is no legislative way forward to prevent sporting bodies from admitting males in female categories - instead the focus should be on members, sponsors and funders (particularly lottery and DCMS) to pressure these bodies.

And we need to accept that there will be some sporting bodies and event organisers who are always going to allow males in nominally female categories - if the rainbow unicorn tiddlywinks league decides that their definition of women also includes blokes in frocks then at the end of the day there's not that much that can be done except make sure they don't get public funds.

On your first point it really doesn’t matter.

In the rest i don’t think I would be disappointed if it was repealed. I’d be delighted, not just wrt sport but gender ideology in general

But if it didn’t do everything I wanted I’d keep pushing along with other women who care

If it needs to be both the ways you mention and repealing the GRA I’m all for it.

Also do you think you can legally change identity documents re gender in some US states?

Eg

The Gender Recognition Act or GRA is a comprehensive bill that updates and clarifies many issues related to name changes and correcting sex designations/gender markers on identity documents (IDs) for transgender and nonbinary New Yorkers and those born in New York State.

instead the focus should be on members, sponsors and funders (particularly lottery and DCMS) to pressure these bodies.

Yes, and it's not good enough for ministers to say, it's just up to sporting bodies, "nuffink to do with me, guv". They should make it clear that the govt's stance is that sporting bodies (and it's only a few of them, isn't it?) who will not keep males out of female comps will not receive funding.

There is legislation to allow single sex sports and to exclude trans people from an opposite sex sporting category 'if this is necessary to uphold fair or safe competition, but not otherwise.'

From -
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/14/5

This is being ignored by sporting bodies or they make absurd claims that reducing testosterone levels makes competition 'fair'.

Fairness and safety shouldn't be optional in sporting competitions.

The single-sex exceptions in the EA permit bodies to make single sex provisions if they choose to. There’s nothing in the EA that compels bodies to provide single sex provision (in sport, or education or anything else).

And that has worked to benefit men, to the detriment of women, helped along by insane amounts of bullying and pressure from said men plus their women enablers of male dominance and sexism, to ensure that anyone trying to set up a single sex provision for women suffers to the point they give up. And either let men in or the provision closes.

This is why the EA needs re writing
Why all publicly funded services need a clear requirement for an accessible single sex option for females alongside whatever other myriad provisions are made and that no men no matter how angry or sad are permitted to dominate
And why the GRA needs scrapping.