Wtf Meghan Murphy

[CassieMaddox]

A feminist I used to really admire, deciding pussy grabbing, porn loving, convicted felon Trump and his misogynistic, fickle, anti abortion, running mate Vance are the best choice for American women.

https://x.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1814817323754381763

Feminists/'feminist' men keep insisting to me that @JDVance1 is a misogynist who wants to 'take away women's rights' yet Trump/Vance are the only choice if we wish to restore women's sex-based rights in America (never mind the fact that Vance is anti-p*rn). I am not a fan of letting the government have any say over what women do with their bodies, but 'abortion rights' have for decades been used as a pawn in political games, and women keep letting themselves be played.

Voting Democrat solely because they'll let you have an abortion while they allow all the rest of our sex-based rights to be destroyed seems unwise to me. Women need to take their bodily autonomy into their own hands imo — this means we need to learn about and educate other women about their bodies and reproductive system, so we aren't relying on the government to dole out hormonal birth control (which is HORRIBLE for us) and dictate our reproductive choices. It's far from an ideal situation, but I resent being told I must vote for a party that can't even define the word 'woman' because they'll allow women to have abortions. That gives me the icks and should give you the icks as well.

I don't believe we should be handing over our power to governments, and the more we understand about our own bodies, the power of food/herbal medicine, the less we need to rely on the state or the medical establishment to allow us bodily autonomy and pretend to be invested in our health and wellbeing.

I do think we should fight against anyone/any laws that tell us what we may or may not do with our bodies, but the Democrats are not the party of body sovereignty either, so I'm not sure why women give them that credit.

I'm not sure what's going on with her but this is a huge shock. Very glad I'm not in the States right now.

Firstly, what do you personally mean by 'women's rights', and secondly Is that statement not just a bit hyperbolic? After all - women are not a hive mind, and clearly many women are going to be voting for him. He has daughters, and one of them ( Ivanka) was his prominent campaign manager, whose judgement he seemed to trust.

There is so much hysteria around Trump - it can be difficult to get any realistic persepctive.

Ha. No she isn't being hyperbolic. Stormy Daniels and Jean Carroll both showed him to be a sexually entitled abusive man and Stormy Daniels in particular ridiculed him in a way he must be very embarrassed about.

FWIW I don't think he hates women because of those events. I think those events happened because he hates women. I mean, what kind of man pays $150,000 for sex with a porn star when his wife has just given birth.

He'll set the tone from the top; his misogyny will percolate through everything. I'm extremely pleased not to be an American woman at the moment.

I follow the news.
Yes it happened under a Democrat government but was a direct result of Trump and his influence on the supreme Court. The American Court system is much more politicised than ours.

I think tbh the Democrats were asleep at the wheel assuming those rights wouldn't be taken away. Heard similar from right wing voters here too in the run up to the GE- I think the US were naive and I think we are too. And the "single issue" approach dominating feminism at the moment is allowing all manner of harm to women to sneak in through the back door.

Anyway, suggest you go and do some very brief reading into it before posting stuff that's not entirely correct as fact.

He is the least worst option for many people. I don't vote in the USA elections so I dont have that choice to make.

If the USA are offering more of what the Democrats have delivered (wrecking womens and girls rights), and a known quantity in Trump is their other option, they are within their rights to make that choice.

They don't have to make sure you are OK with it. What exactly is the point of all this dissing of women who have a voice. Is it jealousy? It really is fucking bizarre.

i’m not dissing women who have a voice. i have an issue with people offering up womens right to body autonomy and to choose for next to nothing.

Trump has proven time and time again he’s out for himself so as soon as he doesn’t care to carry on doing x he will stop.

Trump sexually assaulted Jean Carroll. That isn't "womanising"

He's an arse. Let's not excuse it because other men are also arses. Especially not on a feminist board.

Don't vote for him then.

Or go and tell Meghan how bad she is.

This constant sniping behind the walls where people cant respond. It is pathetic.

Every fucking day another thread dissing another woman. For having opinions you don't like. So fucking feminist of you, gold standard.

you don’t know who i am and who i speak to, what makes you think i don’t direct my comments to these people?

bold of you to sarcastically say ‘so feminist of you’ when i’m arguing against ‘feminists’ handing over women’s right to their body away.

I'm pretty sure MM can post on here if she wants.

I'm wondering if the issue is that young women when first choosing a contraception don't get informed of all the choices available and just get out on the pill.

Nah. I know a lot of "young women". The doctors seem more keen on long acting contraceptives like implant, which I think is a nightmare.

They all seem quite savvy about the different types and also motivated by other "benefits" such as better skin and fewer periods.

I don't think the doctors are "putting them on the pill" at all.

Then they're obviously making an informed choice about their own bodies, if they're all savvy about the different types of contraception and the possible side effects.

Thank you too!
I was reflecting on it and maybe was a bit too blunt. I am terrified by the actions of some of the "ultra GC" crew - the "have more babies", most women want to stay at home, abortion rights are a fair trade for "sex based rights", contraception is harmful so women shouldn't use it etc.

It feels to me like misogynists knowing what a woman is and using that to screw us over. I'm very worried about it as I don't take women's rights for granted at all.

Yes. I think most women are,which is why I was surprised by MMs rant. Maybe she doesn't know that many women who need hormonal contraception?

There is another conversation about why the implicit way of treating so many womens problems is to give us hormones, but I think that's more to do with the patriarchy in medicine than politicians/big pharma.

Medicine has a long day at to go when it comes to women's health and bodies..

agreed. i wish the first point of call wasn’t ’here take contraception’ rather than actually investigating anything.

Wow.
You really are trying to argue as a feminist that being anti abortion is ever OK.

I'd suggest that men need to stop making women pregnant if they are not in long term relationships where both people have planned to bring up a child together.

At some point you guys are going to have to accept that other women are allowed other opinions and have different viewpoints and that doesn't make you right and them wrong.

😂
Yes that's right. Just ask men and they'll stop getting women pregnant when they don't want to be.

Good grief.

There is no way on god's earth that I will ever accept that not allowing it a woman to have an abortion is okay.

@CassieMaddox
Tbc I know a person cant change sex, nor have I ever called a man she or visa versa.
I think this movement is the most misogynist movement in my lifetime,so does that make me 'Ultra'?

Because simultaneously I think that supporting the loss of abortion rights on the theory it will end trans ideology is barking mad.

And why on earth is MM saying it should be an either or for women who are half the population?
Frying pan into burning furnace.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that if in fact Trump cracks down on LGBTQ++
that wiil elicit SO much more support for them.

Fight it in the courts and let the wind fizzle out of the balloon.

DONT lets make them martyrs or we will never get rid of it.
Playing right into their hands.

keep your opinions out of others uteruses.

abortion is healthcare and isn’t as easy as ‘just asking men to stop getting us pregnant’ as we all know, it’s not simple is it. many who terminate may have been trying to conceive. or find themselves in an abusive relationship. or be very young. and many other reasons.

At 8 and a half months?

i think people are either lying to themselves or just don’t care that he will go after many women’s rights and many LGB rights well as Trans rights.

but oh well as long as they get to remove trans rights also, must be worth it!

Yes many reasons.

But also, many women. Not everyone thinks like you.

Maybe if you stopped these witch hunts and listened to other points of view you'd all stop clutching your handbags and screaming at women who have different opinions to you.