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Wtf Meghan Murphy

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CassieMaddox · 22/07/2024 13:42

A feminist I used to really admire, deciding pussy grabbing, porn loving, convicted felon Trump and his misogynistic, fickle, anti abortion, running mate Vance are the best choice for American women.

https://x.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1814817323754381763

Feminists/'feminist' men keep insisting to me that @JDVance1 is a misogynist who wants to 'take away women's rights' yet Trump/Vance are the only choice if we wish to restore women's sex-based rights in America (never mind the fact that Vance is anti-p*rn). I am not a fan of letting the government have any say over what women do with their bodies, but 'abortion rights' have for decades been used as a pawn in political games, and women keep letting themselves be played.

Voting Democrat solely because they'll let you have an abortion while they allow all the rest of our sex-based rights to be destroyed seems unwise to me. Women need to take their bodily autonomy into their own hands imo — this means we need to learn about and educate other women about their bodies and reproductive system, so we aren't relying on the government to dole out hormonal birth control (which is HORRIBLE for us) and dictate our reproductive choices. It's far from an ideal situation, but I resent being told I must vote for a party that can't even define the word 'woman' because they'll allow women to have abortions. That gives me the icks and should give you the icks as well.

I don't believe we should be handing over our power to governments, and the more we understand about our own bodies, the power of food/herbal medicine, the less we need to rely on the state or the medical establishment to allow us bodily autonomy and pretend to be invested in our health and wellbeing.

I do think we should fight against anyone/any laws that tell us what we may or may not do with our bodies, but the Democrats are not the party of body sovereignty either, so I'm not sure why women give them that credit.

I'm not sure what's going on with her but this is a huge shock. Very glad I'm not in the States right now.

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https://x.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1814817323754381763

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Shortshriftandlethal · 25/07/2024 19:35

Floisme · 25/07/2024 18:20

Ermm, if anyone standing for election states beforehand that they will only accept the result if they win then, as far as I'm concerned, they've demonstrated that they're not fit for public office. Surely that's obvious?

Yes, but how is his potentially winning the election a threat to democracy? We all know Trump is an unpleasant character.......but if he still manages to win in spite of that then what? Was democracy threatened when he was president the first time? If so how?

toomanytrees · 25/07/2024 19:45

For context: Hilary Clinton refused to acknowledge the outcome of the 2016 election which she lost to Trump. Biden showered with his daughter, according to her diary. Kamala Harris started her ascent in politics by sleeping with then San Francisco mayor, Willie Brown.

knitnerd90 · 25/07/2024 22:29

Oh my there's a lot. Some of you need to stop reading right-wing media or Russian disinformation. Guss who's back pushing the Ashley Biden diary story?Russia Today. Found it while I was confirming that there were forged quotes.

  1. Hillary Clinton did not deny the 2016 election. She just said she won the popular vote, which she did.

  2. The showers were as a child and the wording is that they were inappropriate, not abusive. There's further forged quotes about her being afraid. Those aren't in there.

  3. Why are women always accused of sleeping to the top? This is supposed to be a feminist board. She got elected on her own, more than once.

I live near DC. No one keeps their mouth shut. Biden is not senile. He's old, and his performance isn't what it was. He got pushed out because the donors saw the post-debate poll numbers, and they did not care if he was technically fit or not. There was already a lot of "Why do we have two old men running AGAIN" and "I guess I'll vote for Biden but I don't want to" going around.

No, he didn't destroy democracy last time, but Rome wasn't built in a day, either. Read Project 2025. The GOP is trying to run away from it now that the left wing media started paying attention, but it was written by some of Trump's advisers and jibes with things he's already tried to do. There are several things underpinning it, among them:

  1. The Unitary Executive Theory, which would vastly expand presidential power;
  2. Turning huge swathes of the civil service from merit to political appointees and stripping them of civil service protections;
  3. enabling state legislatures to gerrymander elections (remember, the right has been fighting for decades to weaken the Voting Rights Act)

Trump's money is nothing compared to Peter Thiel or even JP Pritzker. He presents himself as a great businessman, but he's not. He's filed for bankruptcy more than once.

BeachParty · 25/07/2024 22:30

Floisme · 25/07/2024 18:20

Ermm, if anyone standing for election states beforehand that they will only accept the result if they win then, as far as I'm concerned, they've demonstrated that they're not fit for public office. Surely that's obvious?

Exactly

KielderWater · 25/07/2024 22:39

Biden is not senile. He's old, and his performance isn't what it was. He got pushed out because the donors

If the donors pushed out someone who had the support of the Democratic delegates over months, then it seems the Democrats have an issue with democracy….

RayonSunrise · 25/07/2024 22:44

OMGG, it's like we've been invaded by a Russian troll farm that can't understand parliamentary democracy, the American political democracy, or anything else and sends its time frantically trying to undermine all of them.

knitnerd90 · 25/07/2024 22:44

To be quite honest I am not in love with it, but in this case there weren't competitive primaries (there usually aren't for an incumbent). That's why it had to be Kamala; she had been endorsed by voters. Now the delegates could have refused, as they were pledged to Biden.

Strictly speaking, since it's a party matter, they have no obligation to voters. Once upon a time, the candidate was chosen by the party. Of course there's always the precedent of 1968, which is exactly what they wanted to avoid.

KielderWater · 25/07/2024 22:46

Chosen by the party or party donors?

honestyISkind · 25/07/2024 22:47

Trump left office with no threats or issues last time. The hysteria over him becoming a dictator is based on nothing.

He's almost certainly going to get elected, so instead of working yourself into a state about it, just do what you can in your own life to make your own circumstances and environment more positive.

This hysteria about Trump is unhealthy and strange.

BeachParty · 25/07/2024 23:08

This hysteria about Trump is unhealthy and strange

Nah, the unhealthy and strange is the cult of celebrity around him.

knitnerd90 · 25/07/2024 23:15

Interesting how we choose the word "hysteria" given its origins. Having watched both up close, the left is not nearly as bad as the right. I have seen enough of Trump supporters and rallies to feel it's cult like.

i am not sure if party bosses are a better choice than donors. Ideally, Biden would have dropped out before the primaries. However it has to be acknowledged that he was not universally popular and the reason he was not challenged was because of the tradition of deference to the incumbent. On top of that, there was no real clear precedence for anyone else; more a feeling of exhaustion. The outcome, where he was replaced by someone who was his acknowledged successor, was the least undemocratic possible one. The intervention of the donors is unpalatable, but it would never have been successful had other major figures not joined. For Biden to be replaced by anyone else would have been untenable for multiple reasons.

KielderWater · 25/07/2024 23:22

In other words an elected president of the United States was prevented from running again, from having his record voted on by the people, by a few wealthy party donors?

knitnerd90 · 25/07/2024 23:24

no. That's massively oversimplifying it. They didn't stop him, and couldn't have. They were the ones who convinced him to step down. It wasn't a coup.

NotBadConsidering · 25/07/2024 23:35

Trump left office with no threats or issues last time.

🤣

KielderWater · 25/07/2024 23:36

knitnerd90 · 25/07/2024 23:24

no. That's massively oversimplifying it. They didn't stop him, and couldn't have. They were the ones who convinced him to step down. It wasn't a coup.

And how did they do that?

knitnerd90 · 26/07/2024 00:03

Oh for goodness' sakes. Are you all up in the Labour Party's face about them replacing candidates? about the Tories because of their arcane rules for selecting a new party leader?

the reality is that Biden could have refused and didn't. Ultimately his choice. They could not make him quit. Yes, it's terrible that money is so influential but if it had just been Pelosi and Schumer you'd still be saying it's undemocratic. The primaries are hardly the best system because some states are so much more influential than others. I didn't vote till June when the whole thing was effectively done, so what use was my vote?

KielderWater · 26/07/2024 08:46

Both the Labour Party and the Tory party leaders are elected by their party members or elected representatives. They are also not president but ‘first among equals’ as MPs and can be removed from their position via party election. Hardly the same as wealthy party donors telling a sitting president to stand aside.

BeachParty · 26/07/2024 08:56

honestyISkind · 25/07/2024 22:47

Trump left office with no threats or issues last time. The hysteria over him becoming a dictator is based on nothing.

He's almost certainly going to get elected, so instead of working yourself into a state about it, just do what you can in your own life to make your own circumstances and environment more positive.

This hysteria about Trump is unhealthy and strange.

Trump left office with no threats or issues last time

You what?! Are you having a laugh?! 🙄😂
Did you follow his Twitter account? You'd have seen.him.unravelling on there if so.

honestyISkind · 26/07/2024 10:02

BeachParty · 26/07/2024 08:56

Trump left office with no threats or issues last time

You what?! Are you having a laugh?! 🙄😂
Did you follow his Twitter account? You'd have seen.him.unravelling on there if so.

So, no actual evidence of any kind then, just what you've been told to believe. Okie doke.

Shortshriftandlethal · 26/07/2024 10:12

BeachParty · 25/07/2024 23:08

This hysteria about Trump is unhealthy and strange

Nah, the unhealthy and strange is the cult of celebrity around him.

You need to understand why he is so popular. Ignoring this, and referring to people as "deplorables" will not make the issues underlying this movement go away. It is the same all over Europe.Fundamentally I think it is about boundaries and borders...literal and metaphorical.

Too much radicalism, too much 'openness' is destabilising. Post modernistic ideas emanating from american university campuses have a lot to answer for.......and their impact is felt all over the rest of the Western world.

AlisonDonut · 26/07/2024 10:23

Well, when the apparent Left are so 'in' with the whole Child Mutilation and Sterilisation ideology, you are handing over the arguments to the Right to win over the Centre.

Oh, and the Lefties that don't want Child Mutilation and Sterilisation.

That's how it works.

NotBadConsidering · 26/07/2024 10:39

honestyISkind · 26/07/2024 10:02

So, no actual evidence of any kind then, just what you've been told to believe. Okie doke.

Are we living in a parallel universe where the attack on the Capitol to try and prevent the certification of the election result at the behest of Trump, in which people died, didn’t happen?! And Trump “left office with no threats or issues”? Talk about “post truth” nonsense. How silly.

Shortshriftandlethal · 26/07/2024 10:53

The madness that is gripping those young radicals, whereby they are screaming for the destruction of Israel, burning effigies of the leaders of other nations, and burning the American flag itself....... in the same way that Several big American cities have been set alight and left to the forces of chaos, leaving major U.S retail chains to withdrew because the police are now rendered impotent and without control to stop the looting.

'Do good' intentions to 'help' drug addicts by making acessing to drugs easier: creating tent cities full of addicts and human shit on the streets of major cities.

Males taking away awards meant for female athletes, and people cheering this on......violent male predators in female prisons - given free reign; a generation or two of young people told they are in the' wrong body' and that the solution to this is big Pharma and a host of child gender clinics - funded by cross dressing billionnaires in their 50s - some of whom have received top government posts, or who exert undue influence.

You have to have rules and you have to enforce those rules. You have to have limits and you have to respect those limits and those boundaries. And you have to have responsibility... it isn' t just all about 'freedom' and "living your best life".

Theer are people who want to destroy boundaries and push boundaries in the name of fluidity, in the name of internationalism, in the name of openness.......they hate their own country and reject all its established values; they side with the enemies of their own country...and in doing so are forging some unlikely alliances with people and forces who will further de-stabilise their country and the whole world order.

BeachParty · 26/07/2024 11:22

NotBadConsidering · 26/07/2024 10:39

Are we living in a parallel universe where the attack on the Capitol to try and prevent the certification of the election result at the behest of Trump, in which people died, didn’t happen?! And Trump “left office with no threats or issues”? Talk about “post truth” nonsense. How silly.

Yep, baffling isn't it.
I mean - some are just clearly too far gone.

KielderWater · 26/07/2024 11:48

Of course the Capitol invasion happened but it couldn’t really be considered a serious coup attempt - it was quite clearly destined to fail as there was no support amongst those necessary to ensure a coup - the army or the public structures. It was more of a protest. A concerning one but not a serious coup attempt.

However, it is mirrored on the left by the protests over Gaza (including another occupation of capitol buildings).