Wtf Meghan Murphy

[CassieMaddox]

A feminist I used to really admire, deciding pussy grabbing, porn loving, convicted felon Trump and his misogynistic, fickle, anti abortion, running mate Vance are the best choice for American women.

https://x.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1814817323754381763

Feminists/'feminist' men keep insisting to me that @JDVance1 is a misogynist who wants to 'take away women's rights' yet Trump/Vance are the only choice if we wish to restore women's sex-based rights in America (never mind the fact that Vance is anti-p*rn). I am not a fan of letting the government have any say over what women do with their bodies, but 'abortion rights' have for decades been used as a pawn in political games, and women keep letting themselves be played.

Voting Democrat solely because they'll let you have an abortion while they allow all the rest of our sex-based rights to be destroyed seems unwise to me. Women need to take their bodily autonomy into their own hands imo — this means we need to learn about and educate other women about their bodies and reproductive system, so we aren't relying on the government to dole out hormonal birth control (which is HORRIBLE for us) and dictate our reproductive choices. It's far from an ideal situation, but I resent being told I must vote for a party that can't even define the word 'woman' because they'll allow women to have abortions. That gives me the icks and should give you the icks as well.

I don't believe we should be handing over our power to governments, and the more we understand about our own bodies, the power of food/herbal medicine, the less we need to rely on the state or the medical establishment to allow us bodily autonomy and pretend to be invested in our health and wellbeing.

I do think we should fight against anyone/any laws that tell us what we may or may not do with our bodies, but the Democrats are not the party of body sovereignty either, so I'm not sure why women give them that credit.

I'm not sure what's going on with her but this is a huge shock. Very glad I'm not in the States right now.

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You do know that he has already been president and many Americans don't think he did a bad job? Certainly not as bad as Biden.

Don't be ridiculous
You can't wang on about how great a feminist you are for not "dissing other women" and simultaneously think that "other women" are going to go round aborting healthy foetuses at eight and a half months. Not to mention the medical professionals who would need to carry out the procedure.

Typical pro life talking point, you are also giving me "no sex before marriage"/ extreme chastity vibes. Are you very religious?

other opinions? don’t like abortions? don’t have one. there you go. don’t restrict others access to them.

you'd all stop clutching your handbags and screaming at women
Nice turn of phrase. Is this the FWR approved version of pearl clutching?

"Screaming" is a bit OTT. We are having a discussion.

@AlisonDonut

If you are against abortion then dont have one, but do not try to control other womens bodies and lives.
If you are a man which I'm beginning to suspect, then exactly the same applies.
Get a vasectomy and myodb.

I remember his father, yes. I think Canada will be well shot of Justin.

The issue of abortion is not the same as here, mainly due to the all or nothing approach - the pro abortion activists are pro up to birth, which is obviously completely different to the UK abortion law.

I haven't followed this debate in the US in any detail, but I wasn't aware this is what the pro abortion activists in the US were asking for. Are none of them looking for a reasonable solution like we have in the UK (and the rest of Europe, I think)?

I'm not surprised the debate is so polarised if the two options are no abortions at all or abortion up to full term.

Add the religious element to the mix and it is a powder keg of a debate.

And then add guns. It's polarised alright.

Simply not true for all his faults Biden has been much better.
For starters the convenient memory holing of Trump inheriting a healthier and growing economy from Obama after the global impact of the crash that Bushs GOP inflicted on all of us drives me nuts.
And how anyone who claims to be a feminist a belief system that is fundamentally about the democratic principle of fairness can root for a man who called for insurrection in the face of the democratic process, making him no better than Putin, and expect us to believe you, is quite some reach.

Not strictly true that, is it

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54513499.amp rules pre overturning roe v wade

Rules now
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2023/nov/10/state-abortion-laws-us

It is true when it says 'legal' it means 'legal at any time'.

Jesus wept. You don't understand what you are talking about and just Google something and post a link and hope everyone ignores it.

You do realise when I say 'some Americans' I don't mean me?

You do know that's how words work? Don't ever call me American. I'm Canadian and think most Americans are Batshit. But we are talking about their opinions. And they are the ones voting.

You get that right?

People generally don't vote, or not vote, for people because of their personal stuff. There are some notable exceptions. But in general they vote for whomever they see moving the country is a better direction than the other guy.

People will vote for Trump even if they thought he might have a personally shit attitude to women. They'd have done the same for Biden, or Bill Clinton, or whomever. They take the choices on offer and make the best of it.

Both the Democrats and the Republicans have played voters on abortion issues for years. Many have had enough, I think. Abortion is in the hands of the states now which takes it out of the realm of the presidential election, and that may be no bad thing. It could potentially even be a gift to the Democrats, if they don't want to look the horse in the mouth - they have lost some of their traditional voting base over the years because of it. They now have the chance to focus on other things and win those people back. (Do I think they will do this - unlikely. They seem determined to make winning as difficult for themselves as possible.)

As for this fucking stupid idea that there can only be one obvious choice for anyone nice. There are all kinds of reasons people of the traditional left might support Trump. After the union busting of Obama, the fact that Trump has chosen a VP with a significant interest in union rights makes one things clear - on economic issues it very much looks like the Democrats are pretty much the same big business uber-capitalists they always were, but the Trump Republicans seem to be going after something like the ground the parties of the left used to. No surprise that might appeal to people on the left.

You don't understand what you are talking about and just Google something and post a link and hope everyone ignores it

We saw that on the Harman/Fawcett thread with "evidence" hastily googled and posted, the aim of which was supposedly to undermine my point about what Cassie so dismissively called "the PIE thing". It had the opposite effect of course. Plus ca change.

If it's not wrong, why wouldn't they? That's the fundamental question Cassie. If you think it's ok, why wouldn't other people? Why are you trying to convince anyone it wouldn't happen.

The fact is it does happen, it has happened historically, and even worse, so it's not really a point you can argue successfully. But I am really intrigued by your logic here, where it is both ok, and no one will do it, because....

Alison, I didn't realize you were Canadian!

Some people taking selfies in Capitol is hardly an insurrection.

Yes, indeed he did. It was a big, but totally expected disappointment.

I'm not sure a US politician could survive even one GC statement. The pile-on would rival the Great Pyramid.

I take it as a compliment you store this up and use it to misrepresent me whenever you can. I'm obviously some form of threat.
Whereas the absolute nonsense you and Alison post over multiple threads is in one ear,out the other with me. It's just a disagreement.

Before roe v wade was overturned there were government rules.
Roe v wade being overturned was a result of Trumps shenanigans with the supreme Court.

Now far more of the USA has no abortion than legal abortion. And you are advocating voting in the man who got rid of roe v wade in the first place and his running mate who thinks abortion should be illegal even in cases of rape and incest.

Yes these men definitely know what women are and what they think their place in the world should be. Welcome to Gilead.

But feel free to carry on insulting me while simultaneously posting anti feminist rubbish.

That's the second time I've heard something like this, the first time it was half a dozen people on a day trip.

I don't really talk about Tranada! But yes, unfortunately I am.

Well, we'll always have maple syrup.