Wtf Meghan Murphy

[CassieMaddox]

A feminist I used to really admire, deciding pussy grabbing, porn loving, convicted felon Trump and his misogynistic, fickle, anti abortion, running mate Vance are the best choice for American women.

https://x.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1814817323754381763

Feminists/'feminist' men keep insisting to me that @JDVance1 is a misogynist who wants to 'take away women's rights' yet Trump/Vance are the only choice if we wish to restore women's sex-based rights in America (never mind the fact that Vance is anti-p*rn). I am not a fan of letting the government have any say over what women do with their bodies, but 'abortion rights' have for decades been used as a pawn in political games, and women keep letting themselves be played.

Voting Democrat solely because they'll let you have an abortion while they allow all the rest of our sex-based rights to be destroyed seems unwise to me. Women need to take their bodily autonomy into their own hands imo — this means we need to learn about and educate other women about their bodies and reproductive system, so we aren't relying on the government to dole out hormonal birth control (which is HORRIBLE for us) and dictate our reproductive choices. It's far from an ideal situation, but I resent being told I must vote for a party that can't even define the word 'woman' because they'll allow women to have abortions. That gives me the icks and should give you the icks as well.

I don't believe we should be handing over our power to governments, and the more we understand about our own bodies, the power of food/herbal medicine, the less we need to rely on the state or the medical establishment to allow us bodily autonomy and pretend to be invested in our health and wellbeing.

I do think we should fight against anyone/any laws that tell us what we may or may not do with our bodies, but the Democrats are not the party of body sovereignty either, so I'm not sure why women give them that credit.

I'm not sure what's going on with her but this is a huge shock. Very glad I'm not in the States right now.

Well said Alison

he’s the least worst option in your opinion, not for all. that’s the point isn’t it?

Under a supreme Court that trump/GOP stuffed full of anti-abortion judges.

It really is something to make put this was a Biden thing, just cos you hate "the left".

This was a trump thing. The man is horrific.

Roe/wade was always a jam tomorrow issue that the Democrats used to get women to vote for them. They had decades to build a less ramshackle protection. They didn't. Republicans are gonna republican, what happened was inevitable in the face of Democrat inaction.

Well, at least the "no one on here supports Trump" myth has now been debunked 😂

I hope American voters turn out to be as sensible as British voters and don't get sucked into this polarised nonsense

Insane.
You would do that to over a hundred million women and remove access to contraception, also emboldening other countries?
And you believe Trump wont be delighted to be sucked up to by gender activists?
Nor stick it to women even further after losing his rape case?

And the impact on society all those kids born to rape incest or just unwanted? A vicious cycle of harm. And young pregnant girls ?

The horror for women enforced to bear children, especially her rapists children or single mothers with no income, the complete devastation of their careers and lack of independance from abusive men.

Utter unconsidered madness.
You would send us straight to the Handmaids Tale without any thought whatsoever.
Meanwhile Court cases are taking place across the US, turning the tide one by one. Follow Kara Dansky for genuine information, she is cautiously optimistic.

Ill informed madness, they would take womens rights back to the Victorian era just because of ignorance.
Terrifying.

yet people like this accuse others of being handmaidens?? and yet they’re the ones trying to make it a thing??

access to abortion is healthcare. no one should have to carry a pregnancy they do not want, that is dangerous or any other reason. taking away that right only causes millions of women direct harm. between that and lack of contraception.

im doubting the PP is even a woman because i would hope no woman is willing to give up the right of BODY AUTONOMY just to try and bring it back? do they realise how impossible that would be for women in the US?

my assumption is it doesn’t affect them so they’re happy to forgo those rights cos whatever.

that has got to be one of the most dangerous things i’ve read on mumsnet.

Do you have any more information about the legal cases in the US? I know there are some in progress, but I'm not aware of anything which has already been won.

My absence from all these threads where Cassie criticises women she considers to be the wrong sort of feminist should not be taken for agreement, just for the record. Life is too short.

Doesn't make a difference if there won't be a democratic choice in the future because the Repugs have built up counter-majoritarian institutions to an extent to ensure perpetual minority rule. That's been the McConnell/Trump agenda for years, and the Heritage crowd and the reactionary activist SCOTUS majority look dead set on building on it.

Completely agree. Herbal medicine my arse. I've been on Twitter quite a bit lately, and if you follow US GC accounts it's shocking not just the amount of out and out misogynist MAGA trolls but also genuine posters ranting about the Dems and advocating the anti-vaxx nutjob RFK as an alternative. Which obviously comes down to voting for Trump should you happen to be in a swing state.

@Alwaystired94 This particular madness initiated with KJK.
I've seen KJK discussing it with MM on her podcast back in 2022 I think.

KJK isn’t a feminist FYI.

Cassie is GC and advocates for single sex spaces but she just doesn’t agree with people like KJK and their hatred of trans people outside of single sex spaces.

some nuance is needed.

I see a future where the United States increasingly becomes the Dis-United States - and where people locate/re-locate to states that match their predominant value system.

Not the same situation at all. While the Tories may have been shit on so many levels they've never been a threat to democracy itself. And unfortunately that's what is at stake in America right now - not as a matter of hyperbole, but as a matter of fact.

I dunno. Proroguing parliament was pretty undemocratic!

Plenty of people voted for Bill Clinton; who was by all accounts a serial womaniser, who then went on to deny his activities -smearing said women in the process. We live in an age where the private lives of politcians are public knowledege - and manipulated ruthlessly by their enemies.

Can you explain why you think democracy itself is at stake? Do you think that the results of any election will be manipulated?

I have heard many reports that Canada is on the turn, and its very likely Trudeau will head the way of Nicola Sturgeon.
The next election is October next year.

Fingers crossed he is kicked out and the next government will deal with it.

As an amusing aside re Trudeau, do you remember all the scandals around his parents?
It always amazed me they voted him in because the Trudeau family scandals was Canadas claim to fame for many years. He was an anomly among leaders at the time seen as a superficial playboy and a security risk.
The DM mentions a few of them here.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13623909/justin-trudeau-mick-jagger-mother-margaret-rolling-stones-canada.html

I mean - really? In stating the fact (obviously a very uncomfortable one for you) that abortion rights were lost under a Democrat president in any way insinuate that I 'hate the left'? Not that the Democrat party resembles what we in the UK understand to be the left. Or did you quote the wrong person? I sometimes think certain posters have a whole argument inside their own heads which bears no relation to what others actually say. But it is definitely worth pointing out that the Democrats, in all the years they were in power, never bothered to protect women's rights to safe abortion access.

Yet despite that, on this topic she is right, not just in America but the impact globally.It will embolden other countries.
Better to turn the situation by court cases under the Dems, and thats happening slowly and surely.
If anyone thinks Trump can be trusted or wont wreck vengeance on womens rights hasnt been observing him or his character.
He has been bested by two women in court, he hates us.