Wtf Meghan Murphy

[CassieMaddox]

A feminist I used to really admire, deciding pussy grabbing, porn loving, convicted felon Trump and his misogynistic, fickle, anti abortion, running mate Vance are the best choice for American women.

https://x.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/1814817323754381763

Feminists/'feminist' men keep insisting to me that @JDVance1 is a misogynist who wants to 'take away women's rights' yet Trump/Vance are the only choice if we wish to restore women's sex-based rights in America (never mind the fact that Vance is anti-p*rn). I am not a fan of letting the government have any say over what women do with their bodies, but 'abortion rights' have for decades been used as a pawn in political games, and women keep letting themselves be played.

Voting Democrat solely because they'll let you have an abortion while they allow all the rest of our sex-based rights to be destroyed seems unwise to me. Women need to take their bodily autonomy into their own hands imo — this means we need to learn about and educate other women about their bodies and reproductive system, so we aren't relying on the government to dole out hormonal birth control (which is HORRIBLE for us) and dictate our reproductive choices. It's far from an ideal situation, but I resent being told I must vote for a party that can't even define the word 'woman' because they'll allow women to have abortions. That gives me the icks and should give you the icks as well.

I don't believe we should be handing over our power to governments, and the more we understand about our own bodies, the power of food/herbal medicine, the less we need to rely on the state or the medical establishment to allow us bodily autonomy and pretend to be invested in our health and wellbeing.

I do think we should fight against anyone/any laws that tell us what we may or may not do with our bodies, but the Democrats are not the party of body sovereignty either, so I'm not sure why women give them that credit.

I'm not sure what's going on with her but this is a huge shock. Very glad I'm not in the States right now.

Yes I'd agree MM has gone the same way as KJK. Completely unable to see the wood for the trees regarding harm to women. It's very strange how it happens.

MM is not the sharpest tack in the box.

What about the president who got roe v. Wade overturned in the first place, or is it another case of "the Left" being held to a different standard and a tolerance of Trumps misogyny?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/12/donald-trump-abortion-roe-v-wade-election

Well, I've tried to explain it. She's not giving resounding support. But I can see that you are having trouble getting your head round it.

And you are sharing your opinion of who US women should vote for - can you vote in the US?

I'm sharing my opinion of what MM said
I can't vote in the US, but I also don't think me commenting on a UK based forum about something a Canadian politician said is going to change the price of fish.

Sorry - but really? Pot/kettle!

The pill has also created an expectation that women will be available for penetrative sex at all times. I hear your point, which I think on this particular area of discussion, is that women who are in controlling or coercive relationships can take full ownership of preventing pregnancy. But I do think @AReasonablePerson and others are making good points about the importance and efficacy of broader education. My grandmother told me that her parents' generation (late 1920s, global economic crisis) "if they knew how" limited their families to 2 children as that was generally affordable in their working-class community.

She is prioritizing one aspect of women’s rights in her choice and you are prioritizing another. Her view is not any more “weird” than yours.

Neither party in the us can claim a good record on women’s rights. If I had a vote there I honestly don’t know which I would vote for

I think this is exactly where Murphy is coming from. US women are in a lose-lose situation right now. Do you vote Republican and lose abortion rights? Or do you vote Democrat and lose everything else?

However - I was under the impression that the right to decide rolled back from Federal to State level. Many states have already banned abortion, some have written it into state laws and protected it. I'm inclined to think that Trump being elected won't make any difference - if the state wanted to outlaw it they already have. If they haven't yet, I don't see them doing it now. If that is the case - IF - then voting Democrat throws away all rights and voting Republican is unlikely to lose further abortion rights and you might get men and boys out of sports, changing rooms etc.

I think I'd hold my nose and vote Trump.

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Hmmm. I don't think its as simple as two competing priorities.
She's turned into a single issue activist, up to her of course. There would be nothing that could induce me to vote for a misogynist criminal sex abuser however, before you even get onto the damage a Trump president would do to women globally.

I really can not understand her logic at all.

Meghan Murphy (Feminist Current, based in Canada, strong advocate for women's sex-segregated spaces, sports etc. Canada is TWAW Central at the moment - I think only NZ is worse - and Vancouver council removed funding from Vancouver Rape Crisis Centre because they refused to employ a TiM as a counsellor some years back, it's also where a Women's Library was trashed by TRAs and eventually had to shut down). Murphy has a point here. Biden reversed Trump's removal of trans rights from Title IX, allowing gender to trump (sorry!) sex including in what the US calls 'public bathrooms'. The Democrats have fully drunk the Kool-Aid, and are with the Lia Thomas's and the TRA allies.
Glad I don't have to vote for either, but Trump's platform looks fairly similar to Democrat platforms in the 90s, according to Spiked! online - which I find curious. At the very least he is not going to extend TWAW, but the Democrats most likely will. (Abortion is a state matter, not Federal.)

No. I'm not. I'm female and a gender critical feminist. By which I mean I think gender is a bunch of stereotypes and if humans have to be segregated, it should be on the basis of sex.

Please don't call me a TRA again, I find it extremely offensive as well as profoundly incorrect

I was struck @CassieMaddox by your "how quickly we forget" comment. There are women, very much alive, who haven't forgotten times when women controlled their biology without obligation to the medical industry. These voices (well, the only reason I speak) are trying to pass on some wisdom, a different perspective, in support of younger women. I see the way that things are looking in terms of women feeling less able to say no to sex, having to adopt a sexual identity, genderism, medicalisation of femaleness, appropriation of femaleness, and yes I honestly think this hasn't been "progress" for women. Louise Perry and others very good on this subject. There is more than one "right" way to look at the issue of abortion on demand and chemical contraception.

By the way, if I haven't said it, I appreciate the conversation and thank you. Sometimes that doesn't come across well.

Sorry?
Bizarre thing to say, you dont know me in the slightest, nor do I run a podcast for you to judge eitherway.
"Reasonable Person'...
She is not that bright hence her unthought out and profoundly offensive position on abortion and Trump.

Some feminist.
Why on earth would women trade away their most fundamental rights, that impact every aspect of their lives especially when Trump is so incredibly unstable and changes position on the point of a pin.

If she thinks he wont fold like a pack of cards as soon as someone like Dylan Mulvaney sucks up to him, then she has not paid attention to his character in the slightest.
And remember Trump is vowing vengance, after losing his rape case do you think he will give a rats arse about women?

Far better to turn the Dems, and they will turn slowly but surely as legal cases continue to be won in the US.

So much sympathy for American women. Two parties, each shitting on women in their own way. The UK election was hard enough.

We really are on our own.

If the choice is between the government enforcing the sterilisation of my children or not allowing abortions then I would be tempted by keeping my children fertile. See what's just been passed in California and you may not see it so black and white.

I agree, this is what Kellie-Jay Keen says as well and like her I'd rather give up abortion rights now and win the war against the gender borg and then when that is done fight to regain the right to abortion.

Jeez, can't you hear the exasperation in Meghan's tweet. She may just be guilty of overestimating her audience.

The problem is that a vote for Trump is a known quantity but a vote for Democrats is a vote for hope which you know deep down is going to be betrayed as they spit in your face and shout you down.

Obama could have sorted Roe v Wade, he promised to and he didn't.

This is about despair.

I didn't mention the left or the right, the dems or republicans. That's you reading something into my post that I didnt say.

Obama could have sorted Roe v Wade, he promised to and he didn't.

I believe Bill Clinton also had the opportunity, when he had control of both Houses.

Nobody can hold a UK lens over any of this, this is a uniquely USA issue.

The issue of abortion is not the same as here, mainly due to the all or nothing approach - the pro abortion activists are pro up to birth, which is obviously completely different to the UK abortion law.

The vote is about looking at the policies and adding up which make a difference to you. That's the point of democracy.

Are we to now have thread after thread of 'women who Cassie/Adam doesn't agree with' with stupid faces making out as if their words are 'weird'?

This is a perfectly reasonable decision. Trump is simply the least worst option. This is completely different to the best option. If you don't understand that, maybe discussing USA politics isn't in your wheelhouse.

👏 👏 👏 @AlisonDonut. Couldn't have said it better myself!

Women's right to abortion was lost under a Democrat president. No democrat president, whether Biden or a predecessor, cared to protect abortion.