KJK Live streams being sacked from her GPs surgery - trans staff member

[HootyMcBooby]

Forward to 19.15 for the actual phone call.

KJK confrontation with trans staff member at her GPs surgery.

This ideology has no place in the NHS.
As someone whose Mother, aged 72, had a stroke and waited in an NHS corridor on a trolley for 16 hours only to be asked as the doctors FIRST question....... "how do you identify?", I feel the NHS is captured beyond hope,

But you don't use third person pronouns for the person you're talking to.

Words have meanings ... This is a bit hackneyed now, but still useful: let's say I wear a name badge suffixed with "His Majesty" or "Police Sergeant".

Would you accept that I should be treated as the King or a mid-rank police officer? If not, why not?

If you do, how far should the privileges attached to my rank go? After all, if you respect my identity as a Police Sergeant, you'll come quietly when I arrest you on suspicion of something. At the station, no doubt you'll vigorously defend my rights as an officer of the law when the other police say I can't arrest you.

Or do only some words have meanings and some identities matter? Who decides which ones?

as Kate does not want to be called Jim. It would be weird and quite rude to call someone who introduced themselves as Kate Jim instead

How about if I know their actual name is James? Might be rude, but not so "weird" is it?

So you agree with me that it's completely unnecessary to wear a pronoun badge because pronouns can be avoided? Great!

The only abusive behaviour in those encounters were from KJK.

Fear isn’t a morally or legally valid reason to preemptively verbally abuse, harrass and go after someone’s job.

We have learned this with Islamaphobia and how you can’t preemptively go after anyone Muslim, especially the “male ones” that you encounter in public because you are afraid of them and there is “evidence it [violence] has already come about and might come about again.” 🤨

I prefer honesty.

Compelled silence about a fact.

Is expecting a person to lie courtesy?

People wear pronoun badges to alert people to their own preferred pronouns. Whether other people can avoid using pronouns when speaking about them doesn't make badges unnecessary or unwanted to the person wearing it.

Where have I talked about "going after" people?

Using a person's preferred pronouns isn't a lie any more than calling them Kate because that's what was on their name tag is a lie.

It is. Wanting me to refer to someone as a sex they aren’t is wanting me to lie. That’s not very kind.

Caling a woman "he" is a lie.

According to many neurotypical people, yes, especially about things like clothes. Apparently, it's wrong to give an honest opinion when someone asks what you think of their new dress unless you really like it, you are meant to lie and pretend that you like it.

This might explain why "be kind" and "my pronouns are..." has taken off so much more amongst women.

No, compelled speech is to force someone to say x.
Compelled speech is not forcing someone to not say x.

Requiring someone to not say x, is restricting speech which can be through social pressure all the way up to an outright legal ban.

Currently, misgendering is socially unacceptable and considered to be rude. This is the mildest form of speech restriction.

Next step up on speech restriction are anti-social things like verbal abuse, swearing obscenties and which often have civil consequences like being banned from a GP surgery or a Pub.

Next step up from that is banned speech where you create public disorder or use hate speech, and would be arrested, charged and usually fined for the offence.

People have always been known as things that aren't their legal names. See also William "Bill" Gates. Calling someone by a nickname isn't a lie.

This is all irrelevant because we aren’t talking about professions or titles which are earned but about outwards symbols of beliefs which are internal and self-determined.

You are defending KJK’s behaviour in which she was the aggressor and she very much went after the receptionist’s job.

Or the artist formerly known as Prince who changed his name to this symbol in 1993

But you don’t have to. You can still communicate with them and refer to them without ever using any gendered pronoun. Even children have learned how easy this is.

Read my posts. I've explicitly said that KJK has no right to demand that anyone be fired and every right to change her GP.

I'm refuting the idea that GC people are somehow unreasonable for feeling unsafe when interacting with someone who wears a pronoun badge.

Actually, Maria really struggled with this when giving evidence in court. Not using pronouns works for short conversations, like those about appointments, with a little mental effort. For longer situations, such as witness cross-examination, it becomes impossible.

It's not accurate to say that "Even children have learned how easy this is" and it's patronising and dismissive at that. People speaking English as a second language or who are in prolonged or stressful situations, such as being in severe pain, will not find it easy.

Which gender identity symbol is that? 😂

I’m aware of how to communicate with people. If you’d read correctly instead of trying to be smart, you would see my comment was in reply to a PP who said I should be referring to their preferred pronouns when speaking in the third person. Which I wouldn’t be doing.

@OldCrone

So if the receptionist hasn't magically changed sex, what’s wrong with referring to her using female pronouns? You only use male pronouns for male people.

OldCrone You know the difference between sex and gender. You're being disingenuous.