KJK Live streams being sacked from her GPs surgery - trans staff member

[HootyMcBooby]

Forward to 19.15 for the actual phone call.

KJK confrontation with trans staff member at her GPs surgery.

This ideology has no place in the NHS.
As someone whose Mother, aged 72, had a stroke and waited in an NHS corridor on a trolley for 16 hours only to be asked as the doctors FIRST question....... "how do you identify?", I feel the NHS is captured beyond hope,

They are unreasonable to feel unsafe. It’s the very definition of a phobia. Just like people are unreasonable for feeling unsafe when interacting with a man or woman wearing a crucifix or hand of Fatima or a Star of David, or a Wiccan hex

He went back to Prince, didn't he?

May have been all the mocking and eye rolling when he announced it.

And are those crucifixes? On my small screen they look like crosses to me.

When I see muslims, christians, jews, or neopagans parading on the streets of this country with signs that say "decapitate atheists", "punch atheists", "kill atheists, then and only then will religious people be comparable to TRAs.

When religious people protest outside my workplace to get atheist staff fired, then and only then will religious people be comparable to TRAs.

When religious people try to declare secularist organisations as "hate groups" and try to get their charitable status revoked, then and only then will religious people be comparable to TRAs.

When religious people try to get secular groups' meetings shut down and succeed instead of venues honouring the booking, then and only then will religious people be comparable to TRAs.

May have been all the mocking and eye rolling when he announced it.

Shame it wasn't employed more, obviously.

Yes. Sex is real, gender is a load of bollocks. Third person pronouns refer to a person's sex.

The good old days.

I am not convinced she struggled so much as was engaging in civil disobedience in protest as an activist.

It is very easy to say “they did this” “they did that”. Not at all “impossible” especially not for a thirty second interaction with a receptionist.

btw the pronoun they/them is easier to learn than the she-her and he-him especially since the majority of the world’s languages (57%)do not even have gendered pronouns like English does so the idea that for immigrants it’s easier to grasp the concept of gendered pronouns AND use them correctly vs stick with the nongendered pronouns they are familiar with is Anglocentric nonsense.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Did they force you to believe in Christianity?

Have you been forced to believe in transgenderism and pronouns? Given the evidence, I don't think you have.

Yes they have forced their belief on me @MessinaBloom and you're actually quoting and replying to the wrong person in any case, HTH!

If you are being "corrected" when you use the correct sex pronouns for someone, then, yes, that is being forced to comply with genderist beliefs.

I am not convinced she struggled so much as was engaging in civil disobedience in protest as an activist.

Don't be ridiculous. She was beaten up by several males claiming to be women. Would you want to be coerced to lie under oath?

Sorry was quoting this post by @SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice

It's really not hard to grasp. Forcing someone to use male pronouns for a woman even if she won't hear is the same as insisting I should never swear even if there are no fundies around to hear it.

You think Maria MacLachlan was "engaging in civil disobedience in protest as an activist" when she was giving evidence in court after being assaulted?

Oh, I agree they are not at all comparable.

I am struggling with the contention that it is reasonable to fear a group that waves signs, engages in peaceful protest and files irritating legal suits as being oh so much more terrifying and threatening.

A reality based assessment would indicate the opposite is true and your fear is really a phobia.

It’s a bit like being more afraid of sea turtles attacking you than sharks when you swim in the sea.

am struggling with the contention that it is reasonable to fear a group that waves signs, engages in peaceful protest and files irritating legal suits as being oh so much more terrifying and threatening.

"Waves signs"

https://x.com/murdo_fraser/status/1814382710002999790

https://news.sky.com/story/dylan-brister-and-cameron-allan-facing-life-sentences-for-rape-and-murder-of-young-father-in-fife-13181066

Sea turtles 😂

Are the sharks pretending to be sea turtles?

It's an "identity"

Good to see Naice's true colours though.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Yes they have forced their belief on me @MessinaBloom and you're actually quoting and replying to the wrong person in any case, HTH!

Apologies, that was meant for @AccidentallyWesAnderson

And, no, I don't accept you do have these beliefs forced upon you. They exist alongside you; you don't like them; you actively resist them. There is little real-world legal backlash you'd face for doing so. If you aren't deliberately unpleasant, like KJK, you won't lose employment or social standing. You won't receive a jail sentence for saying the wrong thing - so no, not forced upon you.

I don't walk into any workplace and make a ruckus and expect zero repercussions.

And, no, I don't accept you do have these beliefs forced upon you.

Good for you. I don't care what you "accept" when it comes to how I feel about my own boundaries.

Maria was told to say "she" or "the defendant". "They" wasn't offered.

Given that Maria had to describe the behaviour of a group as well as several individuals, "they" for an individual would have been confusing. Maria was describing the violent male-pattern behaviour of a man and asking her to describe him as "she" will cause substantial cognitive dissonance.

the idea that for immigrants it’s easier to grasp the concept of gendered pronouns AND use them correctly vs stick with the nongendered pronouns they are familiar with.

1. 57% of languages doesn't mean 57% of the global population, nor does it mean 57% of immigrants to the UK. Of the top ten languages by speaker count from Ethnologue, nine have sexed pronouns and only one, Mandarin, doesn't. The majority of people speak a language that has sexed pronouns.
2. Someone trying to learn sexed pronouns, which an immigrant will do as part of learning English will struggle with rule exceptions because they are still trying to learn the rules.
3. People speaking Slavic languages, IME of working with them, struggle with singular neuter pronouns "it" and "they". At work, I hear and read a lot of "he won't start up" and "I cannot install the software into him", where "he" refers to a computer. Ironically, I see a lot of "he" for objects from Chinese people too, probably because they are still struggling to learn the rules.

Apologies meant to quote @MessinaBloom

It takes more effort to pick the wrong pronoun so consistently than it does to just say the defendant and they/them. The court gave her the choice to use that or use she/her.

She refused both and went for he/him because in her own words “the judge never explained why I had to be courteous to the person who assaulted me”

Ah see even there she managed to use “person”
So she can do it when she wants to.
She was defying the judge.