KJK Live streams being sacked from her GPs surgery - trans staff member

[HootyMcBooby]

Forward to 19.15 for the actual phone call.

KJK confrontation with trans staff member at her GPs surgery.

This ideology has no place in the NHS.
As someone whose Mother, aged 72, had a stroke and waited in an NHS corridor on a trolley for 16 hours only to be asked as the doctors FIRST question....... "how do you identify?", I feel the NHS is captured beyond hope,

Pronoun badges aren't a declaration of biological sex. They're what someone wants to be called.

Yes, I just want a receptionist that isn't an arse and gets me an appointment/ can deal with my medical details appropriately etc.
I couldn't give a toss whether they're male or female or non binary or whatever.

You would never call someone he/him or she/her to their face in conversation so they are pointless. And they absolutely are a declaration.

Being Black isn't a belief. HTH.

KJK can have the right to be concerned about her privacy and at the same time have no right to demand that anyone be fired. She can move surgery like anyone else who is unhappy with their GP.

Now that's something that KJK or anyone else should very legitimately be concerned about.

The receptionist's gender identity doesn't matter either.

Pronoun badges aren't a declaration of biological sex. They're what someone wants to be called.

Why do they want to be called the pronouns of the opposite sex then?

But I would call them he/him or she/her when speaking in the third person, which I do with basic courtesy by referring to them how they've "introduced" themselves with their name badge and pronoun pin. I might tell my GP that "I spoke with your receptionist and she said you don't have any available appointments next week..."

This is the basic function of pronouns - they replace nouns to reduce awkward repetition in speech or text.

ALL wear them? What if one of them is questioning their gender identity and is not yet "out" at work? That person would be forced to lie daily or else "come out" sooner than they were comfortable with. Declaring that all staff will be wearing pronoun badges sounds presumptuous and transphobic to me.

Because that's what they prefer to be called. Just like Kate wants to be called Kate and not Kyle or Katherine or Ken or Kitty.

"The reception staff said there aren't any appointments next week."

Less wordy, no pronouns.

Kate wants to be called Kate, and not Jim. Right?

So there's no point in the receptionist wearing a pronoun badge.

Yes, you can avoid using pronouns if you choose. We covered that when we established that providing someone with you preferred pronouns isn't compelling their speech. Glad you're keeping up.

But I would call them he/him or she/her when speaking in the third person, which I do with basic courtesy by referring to them how they've "introduced" themselves with their name badge and pronoun pin.

But if you can't do that it's ok to use "they", right?

So you do you but I don’t like to lie so I would be referring to them by their correct sex when referring to them in the third person.

But since the receptionist isn't there, they won't know what pronouns you used when talking about them.

Let's just be clear, I am never going to use she/her about a man or he/him about a woman.

Yes! The person who introduces themselves as Kate does not want to be called Jim. It would be weird and quite rude to call someone who introduced themselves as Kate Jim instead. Or Barbara or Taylor or Carolyn or Kody. Glad you're figuring it out.

It’s not transphobia, i think you will find it’s being totally fed up with all the bloody nonsense we are supposed to put up with.

I prefer to be called "professor". The local university would disagree because they've not awarded me that status. I would also like to be 21 again. My birth certificate says that rhis is not so.

Some things are arbitrary and can be changed at will by a person, like names. Other things reflect reality and cannot be changed by a person, like age and sex and whether I have passed my driving test.

Sex cannot be changed. If someone believes that pronouns reflect sex, then pronouns cannot be changed either. It's not about courtesy but about refusing to lie.

It's a shame to hear you don't speak about people with courtesy if they're not in the room.

Yes, I think some of the genderist "allies", while performing the function of useful idiots for the TRAs, don't really understand how some aspects of the genderist religion actually work. They need to go off and read the Yogyakarta principles.

They do.

"No, I am saying by the very existence of speech choices that do not compromise her beliefs and are normal parlance, she was therefore not compelled to use speech that goes against her beliefs.

Compelled speech means you have no choice either by necessity or under duress.

The fact she could have effectively communicated in a way that met both her beliefs and the receptionist’s beliefs, but actively and knowingly chose not to, and instead chose speech that forces her beliefs on the receptionist puts her firmly in the wrong."

But this is compelled speech? To expect her to control her speech and not say "she". The word she is not allowed. This is compelled speech??