KJK Live streams being sacked from her GPs surgery - trans staff member

[HootyMcBooby]

Forward to 19.15 for the actual phone call.

KJK confrontation with trans staff member at her GPs surgery.

This ideology has no place in the NHS.
As someone whose Mother, aged 72, had a stroke and waited in an NHS corridor on a trolley for 16 hours only to be asked as the doctors FIRST question....... "how do you identify?", I feel the NHS is captured beyond hope,

The first "verbal punch" was the manager declaring that the entire surgery was populated by followers of the genderist cult.

I didn’t mean it as hyperbole.

😂😂😂😂😂

You might want to look at Phoenix vs Open University for an example of people feeling unsafe because of a legally allowed research network at a university. And at the case of Kathleen Stock for people feeling unsafe because of a gender-critical academic existing.

I'll remind you also who it is who puts up the "kill TERFs" and "punch a TERF" banners.

KJK has overstepped by a long way but she is one person out of all the GC people. Are the rest of us calling for trans people to be fired? Look at how many TRAs want to hurt GC people, want us fired, or want us dead.

The pronoun badges and trans flag pins tell me that the person I am looking at is someone who may try to hurt me if they discover or even just suspect my beliefs. And that is the true purpose of the pronoun badges: to silence and intimidate dissenters. Those who wear them to "be kind" are useful idiots.

Saying “we respect x belief” isn’t a verbal punch.

Given how she's been targeted by TRAs, she has good reason be nervous of gender zealots having access to her medical records and other personal information.

These two things are not comparable. Names are arbitrary character strings. Pronouns have defined meanings. "Tracy" has no inherent meaning but "he" refers to someone male.

At my GP clinic there is a rule that if an intimate examination of a female patient is carried out by a male member of staff then a female member of staff must also be present. The female member of staff does not have to be an HCP. What would happen at this surgery?

So two wrongs make a right when it comes to hate and you are so irrationally afraid of anyone with a pronoun badge such that you believe anyone wearing them is not only specifically targeting you, they are definitely willing to violently assault you and want you dead.

But you’re not transphobic at all.

She didn't say she respected the belief, she said they were all believers and would all be declaring this soon by wearing pronoun badges.

No she doesn’t. Most transpeople just want to live quietly and do their job.

This justifies her moving GP but not livestreaming a phone call to complain about a receptionist. I wouldn't want someone like Adrian Harrop as my GP and would leave my practice if he joined, but I wouldn't livestream any calls nor encourage people to protest outside.

Fine for whom? The trans person, or as a general principle?

I’d be happier to use they than the wrong sex pronoun.

But I’d rather not use they about someone who claims they’re non-binary, I’d use their correct sex pronoun.

People absolutely do care about their own names. It is bizarre and assholish to insist on calling someone by a name they have asked you not to call them by. If I introduce myself as Amanda and a worker repeatedly refers to me as Mandy despite me asking them to stop, they are in the wrong. If a client finds out I didn't change my name when I married and believes this is an unacceptable display of dangerous feminism so they persistently and pointedly call me by my husband's name, they are going to be fired as a client. Pronouns are no different.

What's weird is feeling like someone else's preferred name or pronouns are a matter your own beliefs.

So? I’ve gone to hospitals run by the Catholic Church with wards run by nuns.
I’m not a Christian. I’m not going to throw a tantrum because I see nuns habits and crucifixes all over the place and then storm off saying no Christian is going to see MY medical records and Christians should not be allowed to work in hospitals because it just ruins them.

It’s well known that KJK (and other Let Women Speak attendees) has been physically attacked by trans people (famous NZ photo) and their allies (in NZ, in the US and in the UK), and that she’s been threatened and doxed, her husband and her children have been doxed and threatened also. This has all happened because she loudly and publicly disagrees with genderist ideology, and many adherents of this ideology don’t like being disagreed with and can (and have) responded with violence to those who disagree which has ranged (in various countries) from throwing liquids, throwing punches and, most horrifically in the US, to mass shootings.

Given all this context, I can well understand how having to deal with genderism in a medical setting (where she would be concerned about her or her family’s health) would be unsettling and concerning for her in ways that would be more challenging or stressful than for other people, especially if the staff involved are telling her that she has to conform to genderist speech norms in interactions with the practice.

Did they force you to pray?

So your argument is that KJK should be allowed to have a trans person removed from their job just for being trans because other trans people have done wrong things?

If the receptionist has been threatened or harmed by a person with gender critical beliefs in the past can they demand anyone who simply holds gender critical beliefs without acting on them be fired from the practice?

What other groups does this carry over for in your mind? Can white people use crime statistics to demand all black people be kept away from them? If a lesbian once sexually harrassed me in university can I declare all lesbians to be threatening to me?

Being called Amanda and someone insisting on calling you Mandy is a separate issue and not sure why you’re using it here.

The sex of someone matters in certain situations. Pronouns are a matter of beliefs and compelling others to believe in that too. People can believe what they like but if they want to force that upon others by way of wearing badges then they have to be prepared for a ‘no, I’m not doing that’. That’s up to me.

I don’t believe in gender ideology so I will never call a human man a woman and vice versa.

I'm horrified that virtually everyone in this thread is blind to her abuse of that person and her blatant transphobia on that occasion, and during that podcast. Not just that, they're cheering her on. Seriously, this branch has lost any decency it ever had if you all think that was laudable. I'm embarrassed to be GC right now

I'm not horrified or surprised in the slightest, only because this board has been like this for a few years now. Any questioning of KJK Posy whatever name she goes by now has always descended into farce posts.
If she's getting more blatant, hopefully more people will think "hang on..."

Did they force you to believe in Christianity?

1. It's not irrational to fear violence against GC people when there's evidence that it has already come about and might come about again.
2. It's not irrational to fear violence against GC people when there's evidence that people are encouraging other people to make that outcome happen.
3. Most people wearing pronoun badges aren't trans. Much of the violence has come from so-called "cis allies", particularly male ones.
4. I didn't say "definitely" or express any other form of certainty. You have made that up, a fallacy known as "straw man". I explicitly said "may" and later acknowledged that some people wear them to "be kind" in ignorance of their true purpose. You have lied, misrepresented me.
5. Most trans people don't wear pronoun badges. It's the badges that convey the violent ideology.

The sex of someone matters in certain situations.

Absolutely. Checking in at the GP's front desk isn't one of them.

So your argument is that KJK should be allowed to have a trans person removed from their job just for being trans because other trans people have done wrong things?

Your telepathy is on the fritz; I didn’t say that.

So don’t wear a badge then that states what sex you’d like to be (but aren’t).

I'll remind you also who it is who puts up the "kill TERFs" and "punch a TERF" banners.

A young man who is thought to have held up the notorious "Decapitate TERFs" banner in Scotland and used to have a trans identity was today convicted of murder and rape of a man, together with another man.

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