KJK Live streams being sacked from her GPs surgery - trans staff member

[HootyMcBooby]

Forward to 19.15 for the actual phone call.

KJK confrontation with trans staff member at her GPs surgery.

This ideology has no place in the NHS.
As someone whose Mother, aged 72, had a stroke and waited in an NHS corridor on a trolley for 16 hours only to be asked as the doctors FIRST question....... "how do you identify?", I feel the NHS is captured beyond hope,

Except saying a female, however she identifies, is a "she", is not a "belief" is it?
It's a fact whether you like it or not.

There is no part of an interaction with a receptionist to access the surgery that requires the use of the words, woman/man, he/her, she/him.

By that rationale the badges are rendered defunct in this case.

Exactly that. I go into Tesco and some of the checkout staff have pronouns on name badges. I do not need that information any more than I need to know age, marital status, or how many kids someone has. These pronoun badges are ideological signals, not useful information, and they declare that the wearer of the badge would think worse of me if they knew about my Grainger-protected beliefs in a way that no religious symbol does.

So it's ok to use "they" about he/hims and she/hers, is it? Because it's not what I've heard.

I use the pronouns people prefer just like I use their name as they give it to me. I don't need to reference anyone else's biological sex in routine conversation - certainly not the GP's receptionist's sex. Why are their chromosomes or gametes or whatever of any concern to me?

I agree. She was rude, unnecessarily confrontational, and she live-streamed the phone call without telling the woman at the start of the conversation that she was doing it.

I got the impression she was playing to her audience during the call.

I don’t like seeing pronoun badges either, but how that would make her feel “unsafe” I don’t know. I could understand that the hapless receptionist might feel unsafe though, with a patient being so rude to her.

I admire KJK for some of what she does, but some of her behaviour is not helpful to the GC cause, in my opinion.

Ok, but just to confirm, it's ok to use they for an MTF or FTM person?

Do you agree that the manager's hostile attitude, repeatedly "correcting" KJK when she used the correct sex pronouns for the receptionist, was also done to intentionally insult and create conflict between two opposing belief systems?

The belief is roughly that transpeople do not exist, it is a mental illness and pronouns should be vigorously restricted to the biology of sex and not ever gender beliefs because it is dangerous ideology that threatens women’s rights, sterilises children, protects pedophiles and will bring about the end of civilisation as we know it if we for one second allow gendered language to shift away from our ancient traditions.

I am gc, but this is ridiculous. people wear all sorts of ideological symbols and even if she had a problem with it, she could have complained about it in a sensitive/polite manner but instead she made a mountain out of a mole hill.

she is not helping our cause by her rude behaviour

People who are "distressed by this simple piece of grammar" when it is applied correctly to them according to their sex, either need to grow a thicker skin, or get some therapy to help them to accept reality.

No. It was a defensive reaction to the conflict KJK initiated. In other words, KJK threw the first verbal punch.

People who are distressed and feel unsafe by a legally allowed badge or lanyard are even more fragile. KJK definitely needs therapy by your rationale.

The information on the badges is unnecessary, other than being a warning sign that the person is a religious zealot.

Yes, KJK saying that shocked me. She really does seem to hate all trans people. I loathe what the activists are doing, but there are trans people who genuinely just want to get on with their lives as best they can, and they don’t deserve to be discriminated against purely because they’re trans.

So it is compelling speech then? We don’t need to be told what pronouns to use should we choose to use them or not.

Nobody is “distressed by a simple piece of grammar”. Unless you buy into the belief that humans can change sex then no one wants to use language that’s at odds with reality.

We’re not all fooled by the tran$ pharma-medical industry money-making racket which has insidiously captured many aspects of society.

I'd just like a confirmation from @SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice or @AGoingConcern that it's fine to use "they" for a person who identifies as the opposite sex rather than using pronouns you disagree with. That would be a good thing to work with.

We are hard wired to recognise sex. When talking about this person to the manager, why shouldn't KJK use the correct sex pronouns? Unless the manager had the call on speakerphone, the receptionist couldn't hear and would never know. Why make things difficult for a patient who is simply referring to a female person using female pronouns?

A judge enforcing wrong-sex pronouns in court hampered Maria McLachlan's ability to give evidence against her violent male attacker Tanis Wolf ("Tara Wood") and Maria's inability to describe a male as "she" or "the defendant" was weaponised against her at sentencing when Wolf was not required to pay damages for destroying Maria's camera.

Your hyperbole is not so far from the truth when the State start punishing women for using correct-sex pronouns. We have already had an NHS trust deny that a rape could have taken place because there was no man on the ward. There was a man on the ward, one who preferred wrong-sex pronouns.

@Zita60 feel free to chip in on this too

Do you refuse to call people by the name they give as well? I had to go to the bank earlier and the teller was wearing a name badge that said Kate... should I have refused to call her that until she could prove her legal name wasn't Katherine? Called her Kat because that looked like it fit her better to me?

There is no reason you need to accurately identify the biological sex of a receptionist or bank teller or the clerk at Tesco's just like you don't need to know anything more than the name they prefer to go by at work. Call them what they prefer to be called if you're going to use a name or pronoun to refer to them.

Yes you can.

Thanks @SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice!

No it is not compelled speech any more than misgendering is violence

The belief is roughly that transpeople do not exist,

Well, they don't, do they? People aren't born in the wrong body. So called trans people are just people who say that they want to be the opposite sex.

it is a mental illness

In many cases it is. Although sometimes it just seems to be a lifestyle choice.

pronouns should be vigorously restricted to the biology of sex and not ever gender beliefs because it is dangerous ideology that threatens women’s rights, sterilises children, protects pedophiles

Reasonably accurate. Are you in favour of sterilising children and protecting paedophiles?

No one give ms a toss about a person’s name. They do care if a clear as day woman, or man, is sitting there with a badge that says he/she is the opposite of what they are. A lie. And they are expecting me, the customer or patient, to go along with this lie.

A name badge is fine. Pronoun stating is not.