Jolyon jumps the shark - is trans a cult?

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Jolyon 'fox killer' Maugham has been on one for 6 days straight now. It all started with Streeting's PBs ban and ratcheted up when JoMo sent Streeting a list of 25 questions which Streeting ignored - and on a Sunday too. As of yesterday JoMo, a KC (though Guido Fawkes reported his licence expired in May), was encouraging people to break the law by accessing banned PB drugs from abroad. As of today he has well and truly jumped the shark with the below, horrible post on X.

My question to this board is why do TRAs feel the need to ratchet up the emotional temperature of the debate so high? Why do they so quickly devolve the conversation to death and suicide? It's an ugly strain that runs right through all TRA talking points. I personally think TRA is an eschatological cult and the focus on death is a intrinsic part of that. Others may think it's all about emotional blackmail.

Either way, please use this thread to discuss JoMo, Streeting's unaccounably cruel ignoring of him, and TRA emotional hysteria / threats in general at this crucial time just after the PB ban was announced.

EDIT - could not upload the screenshot of JoMo's post but it reads as follows:

"And don't underestimate the political tail of Wes Streeting's decision. His colleagues will slowly be coming to terms with him locking them into a future of bereaved parents tipping ashes outside Number 10 and a revival of mass die-ins wherever they go."

Don’t really understand the question, but reversing pubertal changes would not a beneficial medical outcome even if the patient desires it. Anyone who wants that needs help to overcome those feelings, not treatment resulting in physiological changes.

That's just fantasy, so not worth answering.

Every single person I know who has a transgender friend, family member or loved one is reeling from this callous move to perpetuate what was already an incredibly dangerous, rash decision forced into place without solid justification in a way that made it impossible to even seriously discuss or challenge.

This appears to show that you live in a transgender community bubble. The friends, family members and loved ones of the trans people I know have a variety of viewpoints. As I may have mentioned before, I have a transgender son, who is fortunately beyond the age range Streeting is trying to protect. My wish is that all the unevidenced treatments based on unscientific and highly irrational assumptions become much rarer. There is a much more rational and helpful approach to sex and gender than the trans ideology demands to "transition" a body to fit a "gender identity" based on societal gender stereotypes.

It was inevitable that at some point, someone would have to put a stop to the madness; regardless of whether older people are still doing it to themselves or not.

The "international protocol" you refer to is, I assume, WPATH? An organisation which has been recently ( the last few weeks) found to have manipulated its own research findings ( from John Hopkins university) in order to suppress the truth that blocking puberty and giving cross sex hormones is not a safe and long term effective 'treatment' for 'gender distress'.

How do you explain to a child that although there is a 40 year-old treatment that addresses the permanent changes they are facing - that they did not ask for and will only be able to partially undo with years of expensive and painful surgery -

A treatment being used not for what it was intended you mean?

Puberty is not an optional extra, no-one specifically 'asks' for it it happens as it is a vital part of human development and the it is not only the body that develops it is also the brain and you go through the puberty for the sex you are.

Why would anyone want to trap children in a pre-pubertal body with prepubertal brain cognition? And then fill that body with hormones their body is not designed for?

And of course there is the wealth of evidence that those distressed children who are not being used as experimental guinea pigs come through their distress and accept their bodies.

......And even those that persist for a few years, or maybe even for ten years or more, eventually come to realise that 'transition' and medicalisation has not solved their essential dysphoric feelings or their mental health issues.

Quite @Shortshriftandlethal because it is a false promise based on a false premise. There is no such thing as sex change.

Add to that the reliance on other people buying into, affirming and validating the lie that has been sold

It is cruel.

It is not difficult to imagine the conversations between a 'trans affirmative' parent, or gender professional, and their child or 'patient' in the light of Wes Streeting's ban....

If these adults have been embracing, and even actively pushing, the idea that 'being trans' /disturbed/upset/incongruent is a problem that can be solved via puberty blockers and cross sex hormones - then they can only present this news to their charges as a devastatingly cruel blow from an uncompassionate and callous government.

How could they begin to approach the actual given reasons for the ban to these children...That there is no evidence that these treatments make you feel any better in the long term, and that there are plenty of potential physical harms that they can actively cause.... harms of the sort that the child can not even begin to imagine, or comprehend, at their young and impressionable age.

That they, as responsible adults, may well be guilty of gross negligence (disguised as love)...and that they are fallible human beings like anyone else?

Its funny that theres a groundswell of evidence to say that puberty blockers are bad. And there's concerns about cultlike behaviour.

Then you get someone come along and say that EVERYONE they know thinks its awful that puberty blockers are getting banned for kids.

I'm definitely not surrounded by people who only share my beliefs. Itd be weird if that was the case.

I would recommend reflecting on the impact of suddenly removing the sole legal means of treating a preventable source of intense lifelong distress without providing any alternative option in any other area of healthcare

And I would recommend finding out what is really causing the intense distress. And treating it.

Of course, genderists would say that what is causing the distress is the thought of going through puberty...and they would leave it at that.......without further questioning of what exactly it was about that particular physical biological process and development that bothered and upset them so much. What does being an sexually mature adult mean to them? What are their associations?

Puberty is a challenging time for all of us. it is a major life stage: heralding a more adult function and place in the world.

I'm anxious about my granddaughter approaching puberty...for all the obvious reasons...but the thought of trying to block that puberty is even worse, and frankly quite weird and disturbing. What would it achieve?

My daughter is frightened of going through puberty. She has a real sense of distress around it.

not because she thinks she’s a boy, but because she finds the thought of periods scary and doesn’t want her body to change.

Im talking her through it and modelling positive body image as best as I can. Its not always easy, parenting isn’t always easy.

My son was horrified at the thought of puberty because his treble singing voice was a big part of who he was.

Growing up sucks, sometimes.

Why do they so quickly devolve the conversation to death and suicide? It's an ugly strain that runs right through all TRA talking points.

As a young woman, mum was told by a man of her acquaintance that he'd kill himself if she didn't become his girlfriend. She told him to get on with it.

Two weeks later she bumped into him in the street and when he greeted her her only reply was "Still alive, I see".

It's emotional blackmail pure and simple.

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Presumably in a silk kimono while apricots plop around him and his bloodied baseball bat.

Why would anyone want to "completely, reliably and safely reverse pubertal physiological changes"? Pubertal changes are what changes a child into an adult.

I can think of one reason why some people (mainly male) might want to do this to young people. But we shouldn't be encouraging them.

Jolyon will eventually run out of other people's money and be beaten to death by a gang of urban foxes.

I recently finished reading Lethal White by Robert Galbraith.
I'm pretty sure JKR was onto Jolyon a long time ago and had a sly dig at him.
Meet Jamie Maugham, a "quite" successful QC with a smoothly porcine face who gets rilly rilly angry when someone disagrees with him.

They do it at least partly because it's worked well for them. In the US it's still working. The Biden administration finally, recently, said maybe gender change surgery for minors needed more thought. It's fine for over-18s, they hastened to add. TRAs had a pile-on, today the Administration backtracked. I don't blame the Admin. Trans issues in the US are totally in the tank for TWAW, all affirmation all the time. Repubs making hay with it, of course.

All I can say is I'm glad the UK has more respect for evidence!

If Jolyon has a “trans” child, is he staring down the barrel of having to accept that he has not done the right thing in allowing them to transition? I should imagine that is hard for any parent to accept, let alone one who is making career hay while the trans rights sun shines and also - to go by his TwiX ravings and fox beatings - has a nasty streak you could see from space.

Far, far easier to double down and hope he can keep going, like the Roadrunner who has gone off the cliff and running on nothing.

Gosh the depths a grown adult will scrape to is really fucking grim. This man had the privilege of experiencing puberty and going through his teenage years. You get one childhood in this life. It is adults that have put these impossible possibilities into their heads and it needs to stop.

Alas, this is not recommended by some extreme trans activists.

I've no idea what a 'mass die-in' is, let alone how they could see a revival.

I hope he's writing another autohagiography, just so we can all enjoy reading the reviews again.

The fox killer’s post is really nasty, with its ashes and mass die-ins. Quite sick.

Can you explain what the new technologies were that completely, reliably and safely reverse pubertal physiological changes? Because this sounds like serious misinformation.

What technologies and exactly what was ‘reversed’ safely or not?

Held off? Maybe partly. Reversed? Please supply evidence of this, else I suspect it is a dangerous and harmful claim.

Why do older men want young boys to be made pretty enough for them to pretend they are girls in this way?