Jolyon jumps the shark - is trans a cult?

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Jolyon 'fox killer' Maugham has been on one for 6 days straight now. It all started with Streeting's PBs ban and ratcheted up when JoMo sent Streeting a list of 25 questions which Streeting ignored - and on a Sunday too. As of yesterday JoMo, a KC (though Guido Fawkes reported his licence expired in May), was encouraging people to break the law by accessing banned PB drugs from abroad. As of today he has well and truly jumped the shark with the below, horrible post on X.

My question to this board is why do TRAs feel the need to ratchet up the emotional temperature of the debate so high? Why do they so quickly devolve the conversation to death and suicide? It's an ugly strain that runs right through all TRA talking points. I personally think TRA is an eschatological cult and the focus on death is a intrinsic part of that. Others may think it's all about emotional blackmail.

Either way, please use this thread to discuss JoMo, Streeting's unaccounably cruel ignoring of him, and TRA emotional hysteria / threats in general at this crucial time just after the PB ban was announced.

EDIT - could not upload the screenshot of JoMo's post but it reads as follows:

"And don't underestimate the political tail of Wes Streeting's decision. His colleagues will slowly be coming to terms with him locking them into a future of bereaved parents tipping ashes outside Number 10 and a revival of mass die-ins wherever they go."

As pp said, it's a religious fervour. Non believers cannot be tolerated, and they must be forced to recant if possible, punished and ostracised if not.

Fascinating thread. Thanks to all.

Wes Streeting has clearly done his research and I think Starmer has too, he's handed the "deal with the loons" brief to Streeting, who is well up to the task, imo.

Apparently Wes UNFOLLOWED Jolyon! On a Sunday, too!

Hooray! 🏆

On a Sunday 🤣

At least it wasn't in the holy month of pride

Jolyon has been complaining that wes has cut off unofficial lines of communication (twitter DMs, WhatsApp etc). Which is ironic as that unofficial way of doing business is something the GLP consistently litigated against when the Tories were in power.

Jolyon going full crank is useful, because those unofficial lobbying routes will be shut for him forever now. Damaging to GLP though.

The fox killer has a nerve complaining about Wes cutting him off on X. He blocks everyone on Twitter

But that's different!!!! He's righteous. He only blocks the evil, transphobic terfs.

He can write to the SoS via his departmental office - as all sane and sensible people do.

Given Streeting's family background I doubt he is easily intimidated by a middle class meltdown on twitter.

Very true. Of course I meant even worse though.

I have Hoffer’s book on my ‘To Read’ list so your description has made me move it to the top of the list 👍

And yes to the descriptions of this JM behaviour being abusive and narc-fuelled rage - how do people with these personality traits hold in their bad temper for long enough to achieve high-status jobs?

Generally because they have not met any real difficulties or resistance in their lives. White, well off, privately educated men. Nice smoothed pathway in life and they are not used to swallowing their rage or smoothing thing over like other groups have to.

He needs arresting and putting through courts for incitement
Hope he skids on some fox shit and lands on his face

He's a grotesque, nasty bully who I'd really not want to meet on a dark night.

It didn't end well for the last creature that met him on a dark night.

Remember, if you're trapped and struggling, lethal violence is the answer. Honestly though, who would do that? Without even taking the time to get dressed? At Christmas!?

a revival of mass die-ins wherever they go

Before puberty blockers came into use for this, were there mass die-ins of gender-questioning youth? Did the suicide rate increase or decrease with their use, and by how much? I thought that one of the points made by the Cass report was that children's mental health is not demonstrably improved by transition.

Get away with your unpalatable facts and logic Spaniel

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There are other country's in Europe who have banned or are pulling right back on prescribing PB's and I haven't heard that there's been 'mass suicides' because of it.

Instead of making 'Hate' a crime maybe they should make 'Bareface Lying' a criminal offence, with huge fines and hours and hours of community service as punishment.

It's probably been said, but someone who clubs an animal to death and rather than thinking "fucking hell, what came over me, I probably need help" thinks "I know, I'll take to Twitter and tell the world about this", is undoubtedly unhinged

He has a trans child doesn't he? Maybe he is terrified for them and trying to throw his weight around to get his way. Or maybe he is the modern day Adrian Harrop. Meh. I'm not sure it's that relevant but I hope he isn't having a family crisis as I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

One thing I don't get is that part of parenting is to teach your children perspective, and that we should try not let ourselves be governed by painful emotions. Most people want their children to learn resilience and be as best equipped as they can be for life's difficulties. Trans activism seems to do the opposite by maximising and inflating the distress, and is priming children to be victims, that disagreement is hate, and that suicide is a likely response to adversity. I find it unfathomable.

Why haven’t animal rights activists gone crazy over the fox clubbing incident? Or did they, and I missed something?

Just wondering how he didn’t get cancelled for that.

I agree that the ‘die-ins’ and ‘ashes’ tweet shows he is becoming increasingly unhinged.

Terrified of what?

Likelihood child is simply same-sex attracted?
Likelihood child would reach adulthood with fertility intact?
Likelihood child would become adult with sexual function (capable of orgasm)?
Likelihood child would not suffer osteoporosis?
Likelihood child would not have stunted genitalia?

users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/Biggs_ExperimentPubertyBlockers.pdf

Is it legal, or was it, for children ( girls) under 18 to be given testosterone, as was suggested in JM'S daughter's case?

There really should be legal consequences for inciting suicide

I would recommend reflecting on the impact of suddenly removing the sole legal means of treating a preventable source of intense lifelong distress without providing any alternative option in any other area of healthcare.

I would also recommend reflecting on how happy you would be to be sentenced to a mandatory course of cross-sex hormones for the next several years. It's only a few years, right? It's not like there would be any permanent changes that would impact your quality of life, so what's the problem? You might be able to have counselling to help you get used to the new voice you are now stuck with, if there are NHS resources available.

Whether you try and explain this away as hyperbolic catastrophising teenagers or brainwashed death cult members, the sad truth of the situation is that children are being sent a message by the government that the best - often only - ray of hope they currently have for the future is being actively and comprehensively banned for poorly defined, deeply controversial and highly inconsistent reasons.

This is despite their older peers being allowed to continue treatment due to having managed to get a foot in the door just before the ban. This is also despite younger children continuing to be prescribed this exact same treatment routinely, and other children who have more visible phenotype variations being allowed treatment for their conditions - which even sometimes include gender incongruence.

Bear in mind that this is the treatment that is prescribed as a concessionary measure in lieu of immediately issuing cross-sex hormones as requested by the vast majority of gender incongruent children - which would allow the retention of developmental parity with peers and nullify any bone density concerns arising from long-term suppression.

It doesn't add up. Are GnRH agonists so unsafe that they have to be immediately and completely banned as an emergency measure? If so, why are they still being issued to any children? Why are we allowing any drug that affects the LH release mechanism? Why only and specifically this one kind of child that just so happens to serve as the focal point for the culture war?

How do you explain to a child that although there is a 40 year-old treatment that addresses the permanent changes they are facing - that they did not ask for and will only be able to partially undo with years of expensive and painful surgery - they aren't allowed it now because JK Rowling got a little carried away with the new hobby she found half a decade ago, and money speaks so loudly that politicians are forced to listen? That despite the people who banned their future - no matter how elegantly you try to frame the blow - finally being gone from government, the next bunch are actually choosing to make it worse?

While I would vastly prefer that we were living in a social paradigm that made it possible, it is unfortunately the case that you cannot divorce suicide from the subject of healthcare for gender incongruent youth in the UK in 2024. We have been trying for decades, and came closer than we ever had previously circa-2017 just before the culture war kicked into gear.

The two sadly remain intrinsically and inescapably linked, and will continue to be for as long as this cultural context remains so deeply harmful. The people targeted at the focal point of the reactionary turn that has obliterated all the nuance and compassion we had painstakingly achieved in discourse simply don't have the luxury of getting to choose whether or not to engage with it, because it has now quite literally become a matter of life and death.

I'm not surprised that Jolyon is so frustrated. Every single person I know who has a transgender friend, family member or loved one is reeling from this callous move to perpetuate what was already an incredibly dangerous, rash decision forced into place without solid justification in a way that made it impossible to even seriously discuss or challenge.

I was speaking to an NHS clinician yesterday in a professional context who was having to bite her tongue at what is an astonishingly irresponsible decision made by a man who has no background in healthcare and no relevant experience, in defiance of established international protocol and the advice of subject matter experts with relevant experience, alongside an evident personal conflict of interest.

Wes Streeting will not have to see the impact of his decision on the daily lives of those it affects.

Their families and loved ones will.