Jolyon jumps the shark - is trans a cult?

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Jolyon 'fox killer' Maugham has been on one for 6 days straight now. It all started with Streeting's PBs ban and ratcheted up when JoMo sent Streeting a list of 25 questions which Streeting ignored - and on a Sunday too. As of yesterday JoMo, a KC (though Guido Fawkes reported his licence expired in May), was encouraging people to break the law by accessing banned PB drugs from abroad. As of today he has well and truly jumped the shark with the below, horrible post on X.

My question to this board is why do TRAs feel the need to ratchet up the emotional temperature of the debate so high? Why do they so quickly devolve the conversation to death and suicide? It's an ugly strain that runs right through all TRA talking points. I personally think TRA is an eschatological cult and the focus on death is a intrinsic part of that. Others may think it's all about emotional blackmail.

Either way, please use this thread to discuss JoMo, Streeting's unaccounably cruel ignoring of him, and TRA emotional hysteria / threats in general at this crucial time just after the PB ban was announced.

EDIT - could not upload the screenshot of JoMo's post but it reads as follows:

"And don't underestimate the political tail of Wes Streeting's decision. His colleagues will slowly be coming to terms with him locking them into a future of bereaved parents tipping ashes outside Number 10 and a revival of mass die-ins wherever they go."

It makes me wonder if anyone might ever be encouraged to martyr themselves for the cause?

The scary thing is that I personally believe a minority of trans rights activists are happy for this to happen. There are some very malign influences.

It also worries me that activists on Reddit etc are saying there is no social contagion in anything at all, including anorexia, suicide etc. Social contagion is very much associated with suicide ideation.

It's unnerving to see someone unravel in front of your eyes, I've said before it's like he is in the grip of religious fervor and has lost all ability to be rational.

At least streeting, starmer, etc will now appreciate just how extreme even the reasonable face of transactivism is.

This is scary. @Dumbo12 and @fromorbit you are spot on. An abusive man ranting. Most people will see him for what he is. I'm concerned at the vulnerable children he is effectively ordering to commit suicide

I would suggest that the cult already has martyrs in the form of the young people who undergo the brutal and experimental surgeries such as phalloplasty and end up with permanent disabilities. They are unwitting martyrs for the cause with their horrific scars and compromised bodies.

Tbf to JM he's not alone in this. It's the instant go to for the tras if they don't get their way, usually with a side helping of telling gender confused kids that everyone (except the tras) hates them and wants them to die. Very cultist behaviour, which is dv writ large.

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I suspect anyone who been in or witnessed a relationship involving coercive and controlling behaviour will recognise this.

Power and control wheel, anyone?

www.theduluthmodel.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/PowerandControl.pdf

I think it’s just as likely someone will harm others seriously as harm themselves. It’s so irresponsible. And I think the contagion works in both directions - by destabilising some of those drawn to gender ideology, but also attracting unstable personalities who find meaning in gender.

And others have said there are now too many people in influential positions with too much personally invested and the cost to them of being wrong is too high. Very difficult to deprogram these people, all you can do is deprive them of attention or influence (says I, on a thread, giving one of them attention!). Jolyon is a very amusing though when he’s not melting down about trans issues. So much preening smuggery, that any satirist would rejoice at such a creation.

I first came across him and followed him when he was protesting about Brexit and he was then saying sensible things. I think he got a taste for the limelight and obviously has skin in the game on trans stuff so has moved over into activism. He's clearly unhinged and if anything, he's helping Wes Streeting's cause.

He is a bit Dickensian, the puffed up lawyer, obssessed with the latest good causes.

It really is the "You'll be sorry" argument of a slighted teenager. I think precarious mental health and male entitlement often coalesce into this exact type of abusive hyperbole

An upsurge in teen suicides would really prove a trans identity has nothing to do with poor mental health, wouldn't it 🙄
FFS, these are children Jolyon. What the ever loving fuck is he thinking?

The consequences of not giving PB’s and cross-sex hormones has to be suicide because nothing else short of saving a child’s life would justify the deliberate serialisation of children and the removal of their future fertility and adult sexual function.

Jolyon is unhinged.

I bet Labour are really happy that the culture wars are well and truly over.

Isn’t one of his children trans identifying? I seem to remember that. If not a child then some young person who is close. JoMo and rational thought have been strangers for some time

I believe so. Which makes his post about parents of trans children pouring their ashes out, really, really chilling to me

Really great thread, thank you OP. I’m listening to The True Believer by Erich Hoffer at the moment. It’s made me think more about the focus on the future which the TRA movement has, demanding rights, and healthcare, which to all intents and purposes they already have. Hoffer points out that if you’re pretty satisfied with things as they are, you’re less susceptible to becoming part of a mass movement, with its promise of a glorious future. Also one’s individual death (martyrdom) is unimportant since one is sacrificing for a greater cause but also losing only an unsatisfactory present in the service of a utopian future.

One of the hallmarks of cults and mass movements is their goalpost-moving. If Streeting had come out with a different statement or policy it would not meet with JoMo’s approval because the future and the goalposts of the movement are always changing, and in fact, little would make the TRAs happier than some people committing suicide.

I also agree with PP that it is abusive rage. It’s really fascinating actually.

I read on Twitter his daughter has been on T since mid teens.

I think someone needs to do a psychological study of TRA parents. I sadly know a few. The one thing I would say about them is they seem obsessed with those children over their other ones.
A school friend had 4 boys and a girl. The girl is now her ‘son’ and her FB is full of them doing things together and updates about her ‘son’ you wouldn’t believe the others existed. She isn’t the only one.

there is no reasonable face of trans activism. Once you say people can change sex you announce your location as the town hall of bonkers city, bonkershire.

Another hallmark of cults is, as you say, utopianism. And it's interesting how many young TRAs move quickly along the cultic pathway from transgenderism to transhumanism to communism/socialism (another utopian cultic concept, imho).

So yes it's a utopian yearning to create a brand new world since the real world does not suffice. In this sense, it bears parallels to cults such as Jonestown and ISIS.

Of course the dark side of this is that when the promised utopia does not materialise, suicide is often chosen as the only viable alternative eg jonestwon, Munster, the nazi party members suicide epidemic in 1945.

Yes Jolyon is about as mainstream as you can get. There aren’t loads of reasonable trans activists disagreeing with him or even slightly distancing themselves from him. They are all singing from the same crackpot handbook at this point.

Has everyone seen the new documentary that makes comparisons between trans ideology and cults. It’s very good.

https://x.com/wrongbodies/status/1811125941541687316

And yet people will still say Glinner went too far, was too obsessed with trans children.. look at this Jo guy, he is off the charts!

My question to this board is why do TRAs feel the need to ratchet up the emotional temperature of the debate so high?

This whole cult has always generated more heat than light. Now the light is truly dawning - and in a post-Cass landscape Wes Streeting must be fully aware by now of the potential ramification of any decision he makes in relation to cross-sex hormones and the halting of puberty - Maughan is throwing a full-on mantrum.

This is why #NoDebate worked for them for some time and why, now daylight is gradually dawning, this aggressive, over-emotional, and IMO dangerous agent provocateur is publicly losing his shit.

Move over, Laurence Fox. Your public meltdown crown is under threat from a major contender.

I haven't, but this whole movement shows every similarity. Cf. 'WE are your [rainbow] family now'.

This rhetoric divides families and alienates children from their loving parents. It should be criminal (not least it has sinister connotations of grooming, too).

Sickening beyond belief.

It also has deliberate connotations of the Holocaust. And in this climate, too. Given the issues currently being faced by our Jewish populace who have nothing whatsoever to do with political allegiance in the UK or the mess in the middle east, it's a repulsive choice of metaphor. When he used this rhetoric he knew exactly what he was doing.

He's a grotesque, nasty bully who I'd really not want to meet on a dark night.