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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Simple request for 'gender critical' activists

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NoShortKing · 15/07/2024 12:51

I'm registered after an awful incident a few days ago, but I'm glad that it forced me to wait before posting as it's enabled me to be more circumspect about things. I'm trans (booo!) and started transitioning 17 years ago. I'm just a guy in the world, few know I'm trans, nobody cares, as it should be.

The other day I had a health appointment, unrelated to being trans or anything that could be relevant, yet the worker obviously had looked into my medical history, misgendered me (I'm a bald bloke with a beard ffs), asked me clearly inappropriate questions which was obviously from 'gender critical' rhetoric. I ended up leaving and now I have all the palaver of having to go through the practice manager to make a complaint.

Here's a really simple solution, if you're a 'gender critical' activist then realise that it's clearly inappropriate for you to work with trans people and ask for someone else to see them. If I had a problem with the existence of, I don't know, black people, tall people, I don't know, people with tattoos or something, then I would just ask someone else to see them. If in my job I was asked to see someone who was openly 'gender critical' I would just tell my lead that I would not be the best person to see them and she would have no problem with that.

I've talked with loads of people about this and nobody thinks this is unreasonable..and certainly in terms of the NHS something that is completely doable with a group that makes up 0.5% of the population.

Obviously, given that I'm in the hornet's nest, I won't be responding, just will leave that request to think about this if you're in a public facing job.

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Christinapple · 17/07/2024 23:57

NoShortKing · 15/07/2024 12:51

I'm registered after an awful incident a few days ago, but I'm glad that it forced me to wait before posting as it's enabled me to be more circumspect about things. I'm trans (booo!) and started transitioning 17 years ago. I'm just a guy in the world, few know I'm trans, nobody cares, as it should be.

The other day I had a health appointment, unrelated to being trans or anything that could be relevant, yet the worker obviously had looked into my medical history, misgendered me (I'm a bald bloke with a beard ffs), asked me clearly inappropriate questions which was obviously from 'gender critical' rhetoric. I ended up leaving and now I have all the palaver of having to go through the practice manager to make a complaint.

Here's a really simple solution, if you're a 'gender critical' activist then realise that it's clearly inappropriate for you to work with trans people and ask for someone else to see them. If I had a problem with the existence of, I don't know, black people, tall people, I don't know, people with tattoos or something, then I would just ask someone else to see them. If in my job I was asked to see someone who was openly 'gender critical' I would just tell my lead that I would not be the best person to see them and she would have no problem with that.

I've talked with loads of people about this and nobody thinks this is unreasonable..and certainly in terms of the NHS something that is completely doable with a group that makes up 0.5% of the population.

Obviously, given that I'm in the hornet's nest, I won't be responding, just will leave that request to think about this if you're in a public facing job.

This is the wrong website to ask for advice on, or to even mention you are trans.

I personally advise being very careful what you share about yourself as there are gender critical hate sites (e.g. kiwifarms, which many mumsnet users are members of) and twitter accounts that stalk and harass trans people they have came across online and offline.

Christinapple · 18/07/2024 00:02

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 15/07/2024 12:55

No. That would be asking people to illegally discriminate. It's not going to happen.

To answer what I think OP is asking, if someone providing a service (e.g. NHS employee during a consultation) feels their ability to do their job/provide the same service to a patient as they would any other patient would be affected for any reason (e.g. they have an issue with the patient's race, sexuality, being trans etc) then the correct procedure would be to inform their manager. Who could then try their best to assign the patient to someone who doesn't have an issue with them.

It depends on many factors, but in practice it probably won't happen much as the employee doesn't want to look bad or incompetent and would just proceed to provide a more negative service to the patient. The outcome of this could potentially mean the patient is unhappy with the negative service and feels the need to address this with a complaint.

Datun · 18/07/2024 06:07

Christinapple · 17/07/2024 23:57

This is the wrong website to ask for advice on, or to even mention you are trans.

I personally advise being very careful what you share about yourself as there are gender critical hate sites (e.g. kiwifarms, which many mumsnet users are members of) and twitter accounts that stalk and harass trans people they have came across online and offline.

😆 At least read the op, christin. They've plopped and run, not sharing nuthin.

And as for the rest, effective tho they are I'm not sure even kiwi farmers could identify you from your shortbread recipe.

Kucinghitam · 18/07/2024 06:41

I just discovered Welsh cakes this week Shock How have I missed half a century of these magically delicious morsels?

Simple request for 'gender critical' activists
Chersfrozenface · 18/07/2024 09:43

While we're on treats from western areas, I am very partial to a Cornish saffron bun. Like a fruit teacake, only better.

BezMills · 18/07/2024 10:16

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lcakethereforeIam · 18/07/2024 10:24

So happy for you @Kucinghitam

I'm making some blueberry muffins later.

duc748 · 18/07/2024 10:58

Welsh cakes are great! And easy to make if you have the right kind of pan.

Chersfrozenface · 18/07/2024 11:09

duc748 · 18/07/2024 10:58

Welsh cakes are great! And easy to make if you have the right kind of pan.

Or a bakestone. Even Amazon sells them - KitchenCraft on Amazon illustrates its "baking stone" with Welsh cakes on it!

TWETMIRF · 18/07/2024 16:07

Chersfrozenface · 18/07/2024 09:43

While we're on treats from western areas, I am very partial to a Cornish saffron bun. Like a fruit teacake, only better.

Have you tried heva (pronounced heavy) cake? It's another corniche recipe but not as well known upcountry as the saffron

Chersfrozenface · 18/07/2024 16:17

TWETMIRF · 18/07/2024 16:07

Have you tried heva (pronounced heavy) cake? It's another corniche recipe but not as well known upcountry as the saffron

No, I haven't. I may have to give it a go - or better still, get my daughter to make some, she's a better baker than me.

In the meantime, I must buy some bara brith.

Naunet · 18/07/2024 16:18

NoShortKing · 15/07/2024 12:51

I'm registered after an awful incident a few days ago, but I'm glad that it forced me to wait before posting as it's enabled me to be more circumspect about things. I'm trans (booo!) and started transitioning 17 years ago. I'm just a guy in the world, few know I'm trans, nobody cares, as it should be.

The other day I had a health appointment, unrelated to being trans or anything that could be relevant, yet the worker obviously had looked into my medical history, misgendered me (I'm a bald bloke with a beard ffs), asked me clearly inappropriate questions which was obviously from 'gender critical' rhetoric. I ended up leaving and now I have all the palaver of having to go through the practice manager to make a complaint.

Here's a really simple solution, if you're a 'gender critical' activist then realise that it's clearly inappropriate for you to work with trans people and ask for someone else to see them. If I had a problem with the existence of, I don't know, black people, tall people, I don't know, people with tattoos or something, then I would just ask someone else to see them. If in my job I was asked to see someone who was openly 'gender critical' I would just tell my lead that I would not be the best person to see them and she would have no problem with that.

I've talked with loads of people about this and nobody thinks this is unreasonable..and certainly in terms of the NHS something that is completely doable with a group that makes up 0.5% of the population.

Obviously, given that I'm in the hornet's nest, I won't be responding, just will leave that request to think about this if you're in a public facing job.

Why are you bringing this here? Take it to a mens forum.

Im sorry you find facts to be triggering, but you changing your identity is your choice, what’s not your choice is forcing everyone else to play along.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/07/2024 16:20

And as for the rest, effective tho they are I'm not sure even kiwi farmers could identify you from your shortbread recipe.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/07/2024 16:22

Which sort of pan do you need for the Welsh cakes?

Chersfrozenface · 18/07/2024 16:27

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/07/2024 16:22

Which sort of pan do you need for the Welsh cakes?

A heavy frying pan (or a bakestone).

AlisonDonut · 18/07/2024 16:31

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/07/2024 16:22

Which sort of pan do you need for the Welsh cakes?

I have one of those plancha hot plates that I use for large pancakes, for searing peppers and veg for putting in flat breads and such. They are great for Welsh cakes.

AlisonDonut · 18/07/2024 16:33

I took a photo a few months back! As you do.

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duc748 · 18/07/2024 16:40

I have one of those plancha hot plates

[Googles]

Wow! they're not cheap, are they?

Sloejelly · 18/07/2024 16:45

Any recommendations for an induction hob?

NoShortKing · 18/07/2024 17:19

OK, checked my email and so much mumsnet spam, serves me right I guess.

Had a conversation with the manager who was kind and respectful. Asked not to be seen by this person again (which is a given) and suggested that she may not be the best person to be seeing any trans patients. Honestly, as long as its recorded and flagged, I don't really mind, I just don't want her to target any trans people again (I don't even know if there are any others that attend that surgery).

Now to sort out the spam

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AlisonDonut · 18/07/2024 17:20

duc748 · 18/07/2024 16:40

I have one of those plancha hot plates

[Googles]

Wow! they're not cheap, are they?

They are here, they are a summer staple. Around €30 if I remember correctly.

AlisonDonut · 18/07/2024 17:21

Sloejelly · 18/07/2024 16:45

Any recommendations for an induction hob?

Flat frying pan is fine. Crepe pan, anything like that.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 18/07/2024 17:22

Where is the spam, @NoShortKing? I’ve seen Parmesan shortbreads, Millionaires shortbread, plain, coffee and walnut, lemon shortbread, and Welsh cakes. Plenty of delicious things to eat without processed meat.

This is our thread now, I think.

Sloejelly · 18/07/2024 17:23

Griddles are good for crumpets too.

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