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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Simple request for 'gender critical' activists

269 replies

NoShortKing · 15/07/2024 12:51

I'm registered after an awful incident a few days ago, but I'm glad that it forced me to wait before posting as it's enabled me to be more circumspect about things. I'm trans (booo!) and started transitioning 17 years ago. I'm just a guy in the world, few know I'm trans, nobody cares, as it should be.

The other day I had a health appointment, unrelated to being trans or anything that could be relevant, yet the worker obviously had looked into my medical history, misgendered me (I'm a bald bloke with a beard ffs), asked me clearly inappropriate questions which was obviously from 'gender critical' rhetoric. I ended up leaving and now I have all the palaver of having to go through the practice manager to make a complaint.

Here's a really simple solution, if you're a 'gender critical' activist then realise that it's clearly inappropriate for you to work with trans people and ask for someone else to see them. If I had a problem with the existence of, I don't know, black people, tall people, I don't know, people with tattoos or something, then I would just ask someone else to see them. If in my job I was asked to see someone who was openly 'gender critical' I would just tell my lead that I would not be the best person to see them and she would have no problem with that.

I've talked with loads of people about this and nobody thinks this is unreasonable..and certainly in terms of the NHS something that is completely doable with a group that makes up 0.5% of the population.

Obviously, given that I'm in the hornet's nest, I won't be responding, just will leave that request to think about this if you're in a public facing job.

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terryleather · 15/07/2024 16:17

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 15/07/2024 14:16

Simple request for screenshot farmers: don't.

Absolutely. It's pathetic.

OneSugar1 · 15/07/2024 16:21

Given that the OP won’t be back to clarify their post or partake in any discussion resulting from it, does anyone have a good shortbread recipe? I’m looking to replicate Tesco instore bakery ‘finest’.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 15/07/2024 16:22

Watching with interest. I've never yet successfully made shortbread....

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 15/07/2024 16:29

My shortbread doesn't work out very well either. Should the recipe include rice flour?

(I always hope that a sensible answer will educate. If not the OP who presumably flounced off as soon as posting, then others who are quietly reading. But I am probably naive.)

Runor · 15/07/2024 16:37

Edited as nothing to add now I have read the last few posts 😊

mrshoho · 15/07/2024 16:52

As you've not given any relevant information and you've said you wont be responding, there is no point whatsoever in responding to you. What a pointless load of rubbish.

EdenPalmersTerfAuntie · 15/07/2024 17:13

Shortbread, mmm! I'd like the recipe but won't make it till Christmas. It's traditional.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 15/07/2024 17:22

I make coffee and walnut shortbread - it is delicious, if I do say so myself. But I don’t bake often, because when I bake, I eat, and my waistline is already more of an equator!

JanesLittleGirl · 15/07/2024 17:22

I am finding it very difficult to believe the basics of the OP. Do they expect us to believe that they got an actual face-to-face consultation at a GP surgery?

JurassicClark · 15/07/2024 17:22

OneSugar1 · 15/07/2024 16:21

Given that the OP won’t be back to clarify their post or partake in any discussion resulting from it, does anyone have a good shortbread recipe? I’m looking to replicate Tesco instore bakery ‘finest’.

Replace 50g of the flour in a standard shortbread recipe with cornflour and you'll have lovely biscuits.

What was the point of a drive-by post by the OP? Just chastising Mumsnetters in case of wrong think?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2024 17:25

I make coffee and walnut shortbread - it is delicious, if I do say so myself.

Do you have a recipe for this? Sounds lovely!

@SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2024 17:26

Apologies, meant to quote but my @ undid my formatting!

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 15/07/2024 17:31

It’s the BBC Good Food recipe for shortbread, @Ereshkigalangcleg - I just add instant espresso powder and chopped walnuts.

Shortbread recipe

Shortbread recipe

With only 3 ingredients, our easy butter shortbread recipe is a marvel. Add some chocolate chips or lemon zest if you're feeling fancy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/shortbread_1290

terryleather · 15/07/2024 17:38

OneSugar1 · 15/07/2024 16:21

Given that the OP won’t be back to clarify their post or partake in any discussion resulting from it, does anyone have a good shortbread recipe? I’m looking to replicate Tesco instore bakery ‘finest’.

It must be all butter and there should be some cornflour in with the plain flour not rice flour - saying this as a Scot. According to my family some people have the shortbread touch while others don't...I've never been able to work out what the touch actually was though...

Anyway this is my family recipe, it makes a giant tray and it's in old skool ounces:

12oz plain flour
2oz cornflour
4oz caster sugar
9oz butter
generous pinch of salt

Sift the flours and the sugar and salt together in a large bowl.
Rub the butter in to the flour and sugar mixture with your fingers until you can't see the butter and the mixture is "sandy"
Line a large rectangular shallow tin, or a couple of smaller ones, with baking paper.
Press the mixture into the tin, flattening it down with the back of a spoon. Prick the surface all over with a fork.
Bake in a pre-heated oven for 20-30minutes, depending how golden you like your shortbread. Temp is Gas 4/ 180/ 350.
Remove from oven, sprinkle with sugar and immediately cut into squares in the tin. Leave to cool before removing from the tin.

Enjoy!

OuterSpaceCadet · 15/07/2024 17:42

Have to hand it to them: by dumping their shit at women's feet with the expectation that women will do as they say and STFU, end of! OP certainly passes as a man online.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/07/2024 17:48

Thanks @SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius!

OneSugar1 · 15/07/2024 17:49

Excellent shortbread advice - thanks! I will certainly be testing out the recipes submitted so far….

SpicyMoth · 15/07/2024 18:21

NoShortKing · 15/07/2024 12:51

I'm registered after an awful incident a few days ago, but I'm glad that it forced me to wait before posting as it's enabled me to be more circumspect about things. I'm trans (booo!) and started transitioning 17 years ago. I'm just a guy in the world, few know I'm trans, nobody cares, as it should be.

The other day I had a health appointment, unrelated to being trans or anything that could be relevant, yet the worker obviously had looked into my medical history, misgendered me (I'm a bald bloke with a beard ffs), asked me clearly inappropriate questions which was obviously from 'gender critical' rhetoric. I ended up leaving and now I have all the palaver of having to go through the practice manager to make a complaint.

Here's a really simple solution, if you're a 'gender critical' activist then realise that it's clearly inappropriate for you to work with trans people and ask for someone else to see them. If I had a problem with the existence of, I don't know, black people, tall people, I don't know, people with tattoos or something, then I would just ask someone else to see them. If in my job I was asked to see someone who was openly 'gender critical' I would just tell my lead that I would not be the best person to see them and she would have no problem with that.

I've talked with loads of people about this and nobody thinks this is unreasonable..and certainly in terms of the NHS something that is completely doable with a group that makes up 0.5% of the population.

Obviously, given that I'm in the hornet's nest, I won't be responding, just will leave that request to think about this if you're in a public facing job.

OP, I mean this with as much empathy as possible - Being trans is not the same as being short or tall or black and being discriminated against within a medical setting.
There are very pertinent reasons why they may need to know your biological sex, whether they think they need to or not - Have you trained in the medical profession to be able to know whether or not that info is necessary or not?

In the case of needing blood, females who have been recently pregnant before cannot donate as just one example.
MANY medical treatments are executed differently based on whether the patient is male or female.

None of that is even considering the fact that so many medical services have been pushed into being "trans inclusive" that gender neutral language is a must, and even if you're looking at an "obvious man" as you say, they will still be asked whether they're pregnant as a precaution.
Ffs, trans women are being sent invitations for smear tests!!
Not everything is an "attack" on your identity OP, sometimes that info is genuinely just needed, other times you may be being asked certain questions specifically BECAUSE of inclusion.

As other's have said - It's a shame you won't be back, because it'd be a lot more helpful to have the context of your experience and to know what the questions were, what the misgendering was, and (vaguely ofc) what type of medical issue you were being seen for - as we can't really respond properly one way or the other without that info... :/

RedToothBrush · 15/07/2024 18:21

JanesLittleGirl · 15/07/2024 17:22

I am finding it very difficult to believe the basics of the OP. Do they expect us to believe that they got an actual face-to-face consultation at a GP surgery?

😂

WickedSerious · 15/07/2024 18:22

Meh.

FuzzyPuffling · 15/07/2024 18:25

I use Delia Smith's shortbread recipe and add dark chocolate drops and roasted hazelnuts.

popeydokey · 15/07/2024 18:25

Ah, the old 'plop and run because I can't defend my views and I'm not interested in learning about where I'm embarrassingly factually incorrect'.

You're not going to change anything like that, are you?

Here's a really simple solution, if you're a 'gender critical' activist then realise that it's clearly inappropriate for you to work with trans people

How does that work if you are trans and gender-critical? I suppose you need to identify as a system?

334bu · 15/07/2024 18:29

Why is there no trigger warning on this thread for all of us who are on a diet?? Shortbread mmmmmmmmmmm....,.......!!!!

CocoapuffPuff · 15/07/2024 18:36

May I suggest a lovely thick layer of gooey, unctuous caramel topped with melted chocolate as the perfect shortbread addition?

You plebs need edyoocating.

Behold.

https://www.janespatisserie.com/2020/04/22/millionaires-shortbread-2/

Disclaimer, I've not tried the recipe, my local bakery makes such good stuff that I just buy that. Mmmm mmmmm

Millionaires Shortbread - Back to Basics! - Jane's Patisserie

A complete 'how-to' guide on how to make homemade millionaires shortbread! A shortbread base, caramel filling, and a chocolate topping. 

https://www.janespatisserie.com/2020/04/22/millionaires-shortbread-2

Omlettes · 15/07/2024 18:38

I find it hard to believe this is a genuine post.
The irony and hypocrisy is off the scale, and on Mumsnet of all places.
We are being trolled.