Wes Streeting addresses puberty blockers decision -excellent response

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https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/1812435914473295927

Labour MPs refusing to accept Streeting's position and medical advice now at 5 they made posts about it on X. Some of the usual names, but others are absent looks like a lot are avoiding it.

Nadia Whittome MP
Clive Lewis
Zarah Sultana
Apsana Begum
Stella Creasy

Note this is a tiny number of backbench MPs all wit little heft in the party.

Streeting would have cleared his position with Starmer and other senior cabinet before going ahead.

Streeting's thread above has been reposted by Anneliese Dodds which is very interesting. With Dodds onboard with this we are seeing something new.

The Labour position before the election was never mysterious - they more or less adopted what they felt to be the median position of the general public - based a little bit on instinct but on research to some degree.

Both the strongly GC and the TRAs who were expecting/hoping for more are going to be disappointed.

However neither side is likely to have its worse fears realised.

Dodds RT is a good sign

the usual TWAW suspects Labour MP - no hope for them

I'm bloody relieved that at last a Labour politician seems to understand the point; children should not be harmed by experimental treatment.

I noticed someone in the replies saying the decision should be clinical not political. I wonder how many clinicians would continue to prescribe puberty blockers if they had to personally indemnify their decision? I doubt they could get indemnity insurance without robust evidence of benefit.

I watched this yesterday which gives some interesting insight into how poor success rates in adult transition became the reason to transition children.

Wes Streeting had to change his mind after the Cass report, the SNP also had to ban puberty blockers (discreetly on election day). I think there is a lot going on behind the scenes in medicine with the realisation of how damaging this has been on children, perhaps the infected blood scandal has focused minds?

BUT

This doesn't alter anything for adults who want to transition, which Labour still support, and for plastic surgeons etc it is in their interest for men to go through male puberty as they can perform more work to reverse the effects of it.

Excellent and clear from Streeting.

Yes, sure. But the whole mythology has to be swallowed whole, you can't have measured and sensible in one area and not have that affect your understanding of genderism overall.

Which is why TRAs fight so damn hard for things like puberty blockers. If you start to ask questions about any of the narrative, eventually it all unravels.

I'm sure they will be responding to Streeting with their usual measured and thoughtful responses.

Sex Matters have kept the receipts over the last few days.

Many Tweets accusing Wes Streeting of murder etc.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTFI4MP0OIZjvJXS-DFZ1AWAOsI75mIxqoW7obyKCxVc5PGUnmoFS4IR9shHCeqlyfPZe5XsNcK9YaL/pub

Operation Let Them Speak going into top gear here.

They are organising a mass letter writing to MPs demanding Streeting changes course.

In response to posts warning that Labour defying TRAs in banning PBs doesn't mean they won't push through mixed sex womanhood for adults:

Well if we do end up with a society that defines womanhood (and therefore women's rights and spaces) as a mixed sex characteristic, that creates a vacancy for sex based rights doesn't it?

So the very next social movement should be for the needs, rights and political voice of people of innate female biology.

After all, TRAs keep telling us very confidently that women aren't defined by biology, that rights aren't a pie and that different axis of oppression exist and intersect, so recognising the history of oppression and marginalisation of female people as something different to the history of oppression and marginalisation of "women" and therefore of no relevance to male women should be no problem at all, right?

And even those female people who do identify as "women" will have specific needs due to the intersectionality of their sex and their gender which are not the same as those of male "women" and making sure those female woman get the rights they need is totally valid because rights aren't a pie, right?

In fact I'd expect the trans community, having its own history of marginalisation and oppression, to be right there standing up for us surely?

Trans Reddit explicitly states this will kill hundreds of trans kids
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1e327ne/wes_streeting_posts_thread_on_x_defending_his/

I can’t post there any more but someone ask them how they line their claims up with the fully quoted Tweet. It just doesn’t make sense.

Important point from someone in the comments -

This is the right decision and really important that gender-nonconforming kids are protected from inappropriate and potentially dangerous medical treatments. However this must also go hand in hand with preventing activists from spreading the lie that these treatments are the only alternative to suicide and if their parents don't do whatever it takes to get them the pills, that's the same as hatred and rejection.

Banning the pills while still allowing the misinformation to pass unchallenged is cruelty.

I did disagree with the hyperbole but I can see where the fear came from. You’ve only got to look at some of the quotes that now-ministers have made in the past to have concerns about what the incoming government was going to do if it was minded to come down on the TRA/Be Kind side of the fence. So many of us had seen too many shitty attitudes towards women’s rights from too many Labour MPs for too long NOT to be worried.

But if what seem to be happening IS really happening, which is that they’ve realised that the Overton Window has shifted, decided that preventing harm is more important and twigged that they are going to be held to account for their views and actions now (you can say what you like in opposition, it won’t have an effect), well fair play to them. I might even vote for them again.

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Sex Matters have kept the receipts over the last few days.

Many Tweets accusing Wes Streeting of murder etc.

^https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTFI4MP0OIZjvJXS-DFZ1AWAOsI75mIxqoW7obyKCxVc5PGUnmoFS4IR9shHCeqlyfPZe5XsNcK9YaL/pub^

Blimey, that's completely unhinged in its entirety.

good that Wes is being given a crystal clear lesson on exactly how fucking barking these nutters are. This should strengthen his resolve when up against the hatstands in his own party-Butler, Osbourne et al.

Wes Streeting was always the most sensible and pragmatic on this issue; not so some of the others.....Labour/Starmer still intends to implement much easier self ID, and have refused to clarify 'sex' in the equalities act.

In terms of medicating children for gender issues, I don't expect to see my worst fears realised. England and Scotland have both accepted the Cass Review's findings that there is not enough evidence to justify puberty blockers and Wes Streeting seems to be behind it.

But Cass has has also recognised that social transition is a powerful psychological intervention which schools are not qualified to initiate. There's still a huge fight ahead over what is taught in schools about gender and how children with gender identity issues are managed. I have no great confidence that Labour will manage this well.

And as for protecting women's rights to single-sex spaces and services and autonomy - no Labour aren't easily going to do that. They will have to be dragged kicking and screaming every inch of the way.

So I'm reserving judgment on my worst fears. We may get a partial win on children and mostly lose on women.

Very encouraged by this. There is so much that is wrong about genderism, but the mistreatment of children in this way must be the worst. Streeting has laid it out very plainly, you genuinely have to be an idiot or completely captured not to understand.

Excellent action and excellent advocacy from Wes Streeting in the first week in office. Thank you so much. Could not be better. Parents have been waiting for this for years. Let’s see how things go as always, but thank god, it turns out the Labour government not only knows what a child is, but they are actively safeguarding children.

The Fox Killer has a ranty meltdown. Fifteen questions for Streeting which mostly amount to repeated crazy claims about teens hurting themselves.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1812456173259391473.html?utm_campaign=topunroll

This the type of claims used in the court case that Joly is pursuing over Puberty Blockers which raised over £60,000 via fear mongering. The irony being if it wasn't for the case Streeting would not have to make a decision about puberty blockers this early.

Yes, genderism is a totalising belief system, whereby the ends ( 'trans liberation') are justified by the means ( invention of the 'trans child"). Children are just the props used to justify, and validate, adult choices and preferences.

Blimey, does Jolyon think that the Royals are 7 foot alien lizard shape-shifters and that the moon landings were staged, too?

The Labour Party had said and done very little to give us confidence that they fully understood the issues around single sex spaces, safeguarding and poorly evidenced "gender affirming care". It's really not surprising that we agree with Wes Streeting now he has made a clear statement about his intentions wrt to puberty blockers.

I will continue to remain sceptical about Labour until they are equally clear about single sex spaces, fairness in sport and safeguarding.

I would not vote for Labour and keep my fingers crossed they didn't intented to destroy women's rights.

im afraid Jolson is long gone. Not so long ago people like him were invited to live in rooms with very thick wallpaper, in houses with very heavy duty locks.

Jolyon. Bloody auto carrot.

Wes seems to be an intelligent man. However, this is a low bar.

Sterilising children on the basis of virtually no good evidence of benefit, increasing evidence of harm, and with increasing evidence adult fetishists were heavily involved in promoting this approach really seems like something that NO politician EVER should condone unless they're a total idiot unsuited to office.

It seems a really low bar that people are impressed with this.