WPUK with the help of AGCL have written an article to stop silly gender critical feminists thinking facists are pro women!

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The resurgence of the far right
https://womansplaceuk.org/2024/07/08/the-resurgence-of-the-far-right/

WPUK = Women's Place UK
AGCL = Actual Gender Critical Left

I am sure many women whether feminist or not would welcome a pro-active movement by women to oppose racism and facism.

But this article, as always by what seems to becoming a clique, is just a vehicle to attack other women activists in the UK and USA who have chosen to work in different ways to them.

If, for instance KJK hadn't set up Party of Women and had chosen to attach herself to one of the parties entioned in the article would make sense to raise quesions. But she didn't, she set up an independent party with no allegiances.

WoLF in the US have worked with a range of groups and politicians in pursuit of their primary aims. Why keep harping back to the one occassion they were on the same platform as a group that also had concerns about the impact of trans ideology on children. Is a campaign group being bi-partisan unacceptable?

Wouldn't it be a relief if these two groups would just grow up and stop their endless vendettas and actually do something pro-active?

Think how effective WPUK was in their early days when they just focused on the issue and encourage other women to engage.

They seem to have got bogged down in this circle of virtue and less effective.

Instead of sighing about how wonderful women in France were, why aren't they similarly organising?

As usual its so much easer to blame women, rather than for instance challeging the male left to accept and work and support women who know that sex is a biological reality.

See thread from 2 years ago https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4662757-womens-place-uk-filia-event-the-elephant-ignored-yet-again

What makes you think this blog is related to kjk and party of women?

See the thread from 2 years ago.

And sadly based on post on both WPUK & AGCL facebook pages.

Its not a secret. It has been an endless theme for years.

But appreciate that if someone has not seen or read about this over what must be at least if not 4 or 5 years, it wouldn't be clear.

Ironically the first out burst of this was when Jean Hatchet posted a very emotional thread on mumsnet about feeling she had been duped in travelling to the US to attend the meeting referenced in the article. The thread was later deleted, otherwise I would have referenced that as well.

Gosh they really need to move on.

Sorry it seems a bit ‘reds under the bed’. The blog is clearly about Reform and Tommy Robinson etc.

This reaction casts doubt on the previous thread too tbh.

Someone has sent me the link to aversion of the post by Jean Hatchet about the US meeting that started the "big fall out" http://jeanhatchet.blogspot.com/2019/01/why-i-wont-be-standing-for-women.html

And it would seem that given recent blogs by Jean Hatchet linked to on FWR, that she has managed to move on from what she obviously at the time felt was a complete betrayal.

I find this sad. If they want to stop women drifting to the far right they should concentrate on cleaning up the left.

My motto is 'listen before lecturing'

Thanks for the link op although I'm afraid I can't comment other than to say I bailed out half way through. It read like a cut-and-paste job. Whatever their strengths might be, I don't think writing is one of them.

They include the SDP among far right parties. So this article is not in good faith.

They are all a bit simple minded really, there's the left and there's the far right.

They completely ignore anyone in the middle. All conservative MPs, all professional groups such as SEEN in the City, Sex Matters, I could go on. All ignored.

I think they have nothing to do but talk amongst themselves about fascist bogeymen.

I'm new to this board, but this is very odd, just comes across like random WPUK bashing. Not sure why people are so het up about a blog distancing feminist politics from the politics of the far right. The blog is clearly about the way Reform and Tommy Robinson etc are talking about sex-based rights, and the results that we've seen where women are then aligning themselves with these people. I personally know several GC women who have aligned with reform and are pro Tommy Robinson due to their positioning on sex-based rights. Why would they include SEEN and Sex Matters etc in such a blog?

I consider WPUK to be utterly deluded. I mean, they seem to believe that the Labour Party can be made to see the error of their ways about women’s rights by them, from within. What have they achieved to date, other than slagging off effective women’s rights campaigners? Honestly, as far as I’m concerned they can FO

I think this nails it. Deluded. Utterly unproductive. Embarrassing. That's WPUK.

WPUK got off to a great start but seem to have expended more energy telling other women what to think than actually campaigning for our rights.

They seem to think women who refuse to support the left are automatically right wing and that we are easily persuaded that right wing misogynists have our interests at heart. Meanwhile they have spent years thinking they can appeal to the Labour party and have been ignored instead. They seem unaware of their own gullibility.

What evidence do they have for thinking that men on the left are more amenable to our arguments than men on the right?

What exactly are the "results that we've seen"?

Did you stop reading? Just continue reading from there. Finish reading that sentence, and then read the next sentence.

What, that "women are aligning"?

We are all entitled to choose our own politics.

Those women are stuck on repeat.

When ever I'm confronted with the Far Right accusation (only twice) my answer is the Left have taken us so far, far, far left that a swing to the far right would only bring us back to the middle. Where reality, common sense and democracy are, so being far right is not the insult you think it is.

Sure, we can all choose our own politics. Here, WPUK is choosing to distance from groups (Reform, Tommy Robinson) that are seemingly in favour of sex-based rights.

There's a lot of hypocrisy in this thread. Claiming that WPUK are "slagging off" other women's rights campaigners, but then massively slagging off WPUK (who are women's rights campaigners). Claiming that women can choose their own politics, but then bashing WPUK for setting out their politics.

As you say you are new here.

That bunch of women never stop talking about Tommy Robinson.

I am new here but a quick search of their website brings up a total of 1 reference to Tommy Robinson (the blog posted today).

I think its an interesting article and pleased to see WPUK talking about it.

I consider WPUK to be utterly deluded. I mean, they seem to believe that the Labour Party can be made to see the error of their ways about women’s rights by them, from within.

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Meanwhile they have spent years thinking they can appeal to the Labour party and have been ignored instead. They seem unaware of their own gullibility.

What evidence do they have for thinking that men on the left are more amenable to our arguments than men on the right?

Posters seem to be suggesting that we shouldn't be lobbying political parties / the Government to change their position. Are they going to bash the WRN for writing to the new Labour Cabinet, or is it just WPUK who would get attacked for doing something like that? https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/5113479-womens-rights-network-wrn-newsletter-addresses-labour-govt

The thread is about WPUK literally slagging off other women's rights campaigners, in the posted link to their own writing.

WPUK appear to be in the position of having either achieved nothing, or nothing memorable. Meanwhile, off the top of my head, others have been busy:

• SSA have given evidence on RSE materials to a Select Committee. They have guides for how to handle schools diverging from the law and from established safeguarding. Think they've also been to the UN
• Sex Matters gave evidence to a special WESC on the GRA
• Gay Men's Network have done briefings on the CPS "sex by deception" consultation, and on the "conversion therapy" private members' bills
• TT have done guidance for handling schools
• KPSS almost fully reversed the men in prisons fiasco and laid quite the trap for any incoming government
• WRN did the strip search report (arguably a ripoff of KJK's work)
• KJK launched POW, and did research on strip searches and IIRC hospitals
• Conservatives for Women have updated kn their reach and number of MPs they've spoken to, and persuaded. They also do a lot of Parliamentary clips and updates
• Sex Matters became a charity
• LWD did work for lobbying on conversion therapy, I think

There's more I'm sure. But this is what I can immediately recall. WPUK seem to use their time on telling others off.