WPUK with the help of AGCL have written an article to stop silly gender critical feminists thinking facists are pro women!

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The resurgence of the far right
https://womansplaceuk.org/2024/07/08/the-resurgence-of-the-far-right/

WPUK = Women's Place UK
AGCL = Actual Gender Critical Left

I am sure many women whether feminist or not would welcome a pro-active movement by women to oppose racism and facism.

But this article, as always by what seems to becoming a clique, is just a vehicle to attack other women activists in the UK and USA who have chosen to work in different ways to them.

If, for instance KJK hadn't set up Party of Women and had chosen to attach herself to one of the parties entioned in the article would make sense to raise quesions. But she didn't, she set up an independent party with no allegiances.

WoLF in the US have worked with a range of groups and politicians in pursuit of their primary aims. Why keep harping back to the one occassion they were on the same platform as a group that also had concerns about the impact of trans ideology on children. Is a campaign group being bi-partisan unacceptable?

Wouldn't it be a relief if these two groups would just grow up and stop their endless vendettas and actually do something pro-active?

Think how effective WPUK was in their early days when they just focused on the issue and encourage other women to engage.

They seem to have got bogged down in this circle of virtue and less effective.

Instead of sighing about how wonderful women in France were, why aren't they similarly organising?

As usual its so much easer to blame women, rather than for instance challeging the male left to accept and work and support women who know that sex is a biological reality.

See thread from 2 years ago https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4662757-womens-place-uk-filia-event-the-elephant-ignored-yet-again

There's a fair few of these around these parts

Apparently it only takes 2 seconds to assess KJK so don't expect anything reasoned largesquarerock.

If anyone had actually managed to provide a substantive reason for the WPUKs ominous warnings about women being corrupted by the far right it would have helped but all we ever get is increasingly silly warnings on repeat.

They have of course successfully convinced Labour politicians who are now in government that these warnings are a complete and comprehensive description of everyone involved in women's rights campaigning.

Their ability to understand the impact of their behaviour is low, and Labour politicians are cut from the same silly cloth.

So gold should believe your experience without evidence but you won't afford her the same courtesy?

If you want a debate respect her experiences rather than telling her she needs to "prove it".

Why are you assuming the article or what gold says applies to you?

The article is talking about the rise of the far right across Europe and the implications for feminist activism.

PP was talking about some far right attendance at a particular event she was at.

Noone has called anyone on this thread far right.

Noone has called anyone on this thread far right.

Makes a change.

Wasn't it WPUK themselves who were called a "far right hate group" by senior Labour politicians?
I think when a bunch of people from right across the political spectrum have been called far right for years (by politicians, activists, and media personalities) , it's inevitable that they are going to be sceptical about ongoing claims that the far right are a big problem amongst people with their views.

You went to a rally, which rally, when and where and what was it that made you think many of them [by them you mean the organisers? The attendees? The who?] were 'far right?

Are we all talking about the same thing? I can see no mention of KJK or the PoW in the linked blog. I clicked into most of the links and the only reference to KJK I can see is Jenni Harvey's blog about a SFW rally, which is her take on it. That's okay, isn't it? People to have views about things?

I had no idea that a Facebook group called AGCL existed. Having looked, it's a public group that seems to be women from the UK and US talking about topics including the rise of the far right. I don't see the problem with women talking online about things, even if you personally don't agree with them - have I missed something?

@Likesomemorecash this is a weird board - no one is far right and any suggestions of a crossover between parts of the GC movement and far right groups is an absurd accusations driven by "purity spirals" but also any mention of the far right in general is taken as a personal attack by a lot of posters here.

I think you’ve missed the desire by a significant cohort of GC women to feel permanently offended and outraged by non-events such as WPUK publishing a blog about Reform and Tommy Robinson jumping on the bandwagon to increase their own popularity.

For some unknown reason we’re not allowed to talk about the far rights interest in this issue.

Yes

While WPUK constantly scolding us for not doing things the way they want is quite annoying, it's also funny that they keep publishing these cryptic blog posts and open letters which never name who they're obviously talking about.

For a group of women with impressive credentials, it's all very Regina George.

This seems to be the case. This thread has been useful

I just asked you to talk about it.

Talk about it as much as you want but this thread was about the ongoing nonsense from some of the WPUK women.

Its only really going to be understood by people that have seen this play out since it began 6 or 7 years ago.

This has been said several times now but this is being ignored.

Instead some posters are explaining things to us that we were involved in and they weren't and adopting a high minded superiority about how dim we must be for misunderstanding the things we understand because we were there and you don't because you weren't.

You can just pass by the thread if it's not making sense, it won't unless you know the history of it all.

Some posters talk about it all the time.

Not permanently offended, just unimpressed at their stupidity.

WOLF who they have whinged about in that blog just managed to block an appalling lifetime appointment of a judge in the USA. There's a thread about that. Far m

Far more interesting and constructive than the sad sack actual real gender blah blah blah Facebook group women.

It's also been pretty destructive, that nasty Jeni Harvey blog is all lies and smears and insinuation with the sole intent of creating a public branding of KJK as a Nazi. Shortly after this in Australia and NZ the left wing ignored actual Nazis and directed nasty violent protests at let women speak supporters culminating in a frenzied protest where Kelly Jay believed she was about to be killed, it was so bad.

These stupid spiteful women are awful. They should give it up now, it's obvious their own political party doesn't even listen to them other than to take their nasty smearing onboard as it fits in nicely with their own existing prejudice about "scum".

This.

Maybe when your brand of 'feminism' is rooted in a particlar set of fixed ideas, ideologies and/or philosophies then any alternative conception of women's rights or female worth and value and so on, is perceived as a challenge to be overcome. So it becomes a form of ideological purity.

Personally, I turn off as soon as anyone mentions 'the patriarchy' or 'dismantling the patriarchy' or when the word misogyny is used too liberally ( in the same way that 'fascist' or 'bigot' tend to be used) in relation to anything a particular feminist doesn't like or is put out about.

I am still no clearer as to why that blog is directed at KJK or PoW and it seems that the only explanations are 'read this 1000 post thread from a few years ago' or 'you need to have been on this board regularly for the past 6 or 7 years'.

Neither of which offer much in a way of explanation. Is anyone able to explain it in a straightforward manner at all?

Why don't you ask the author, Jayne Edgerton?

Yes but just because you’ve been bashing WPUK for 6 or 7 years and portraying them as means girls purity spiralling, for occasionally talking about the far right, doesn’t make your accusations more true. Maybe it would be helpful to give it a rest now.