WPUK with the help of AGCL have written an article to stop silly gender critical feminists thinking facists are pro women!

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The resurgence of the far right
https://womansplaceuk.org/2024/07/08/the-resurgence-of-the-far-right/

WPUK = Women's Place UK
AGCL = Actual Gender Critical Left

I am sure many women whether feminist or not would welcome a pro-active movement by women to oppose racism and facism.

But this article, as always by what seems to becoming a clique, is just a vehicle to attack other women activists in the UK and USA who have chosen to work in different ways to them.

If, for instance KJK hadn't set up Party of Women and had chosen to attach herself to one of the parties entioned in the article would make sense to raise quesions. But she didn't, she set up an independent party with no allegiances.

WoLF in the US have worked with a range of groups and politicians in pursuit of their primary aims. Why keep harping back to the one occassion they were on the same platform as a group that also had concerns about the impact of trans ideology on children. Is a campaign group being bi-partisan unacceptable?

Wouldn't it be a relief if these two groups would just grow up and stop their endless vendettas and actually do something pro-active?

Think how effective WPUK was in their early days when they just focused on the issue and encourage other women to engage.

They seem to have got bogged down in this circle of virtue and less effective.

Instead of sighing about how wonderful women in France were, why aren't they similarly organising?

As usual its so much easer to blame women, rather than for instance challeging the male left to accept and work and support women who know that sex is a biological reality.

See thread from 2 years ago https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4662757-womens-place-uk-filia-event-the-elephant-ignored-yet-again

I skimmed this, admittedly, but, once again, see much criticism and no positive answer. For that reason, the piece, rather like WPUK themselves, is dialetically ineffective. The issue is not whether anyone agrees that right - wing creep is bad (most of us would say yes): it's about what WPUK are alternatively offering. And, for a long time, all I've seen is a clique-ridden, condescending, bullying group who are indistinguishable from Owen Jones in their mentality save for one issue. That the very group who should represent left-wing lesbians like me have in fact managed to alienate through their actions remains a source of disappointment.

But but telling off others from from an unassailable moral position is what leftoids specialise in, don't be a bigot, ResisteroftwaddleRex.

Absolutely.....How are men on the Left any better than men on the Right when it comes to the extremes? There is this automatic assumprion that anything conservative or 'right wing' or Christian is inherently anti woman or woman hating.

Personally think a lot of feminists are still tied to the notion that female biology and women's role as mothers, or in the traditional family, is the biggest oppression - and to be fought at all costs.

It is a bit worrying that you are ignoring the fact that I was explicitly answering your question. Which was:

"What makes you think this blog is related to kjk and party of women?"

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5115074-wpuk-with-the-help-of-agcl-have-written-an-article-to-stop-silly-gender-critical-feminists-thinking-facists-are-pro-women?reply=136624045

Do you now agree or disagree that the WPUK blog is "related to KJK and the Party of Women?"

I'm also not going to read all the links, although I remember the bizarre 'elephant in the room' thread after Filia one year when a workshop organised by WPUK that, for me, was notable for Pragna Patel's analysis of the right and another panel member talking about the work Brighton women had done with migrant women in Calais, was constructed very similarly - it was apparently all coded messages criticising KJK.

If you're not concerned about the intersection of women's rights and the far right, you don't have to take any notice of this article.

If the answer to InPeaceOutWithStress's question is to read a thread from several years ago which makes similarly bizarre links with anything that WPUK say or do with KJK, then it's a sort of non-answer really.

Well no. What is the link with party of women? Are you implying that party of women have any links or have said anything at all about reform or Tommy Robinson or the far right? I personally haven’t seen anything to suggest that, so I have no idea what you think the link is. Maybe you could explain?

This is PoW nominating officer, Paul Duddridge on twitter.

There were two parts to your question:

"What makes you think this blog is related to kjk and party of women?"

I answered the first part, "What makes you think this blog is related to kjk?" by pointing out that the blog links repeatedly to articles about KJK:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5115074-wpuk-with-the-help-of-agcl-have-written-an-article-to-stop-silly-gender-critical-feminists-thinking-facists-are-pro-women?reply=136644218

This would suggest rather strongly that it is indeed "related to KJK".

KJK is, as you are well aware, Leader of the Party Of Women.

Yes but I refuted your point. You’re hyper focusing on a perceived attack on KJK and sidestepping the real issue, and focus of all of those links you referenced, which is the far right.

It isn't a 'perceived' attack on KJK.

It is part of around 6 years of sustained underhand continual jealousy that she says in 3 little words what they spent their lifetimes writing about that no 'man or woman on the omnibus' could make head or tail of.

Labour have labelled the campaign for single sex services a culture war from the right.

WPUK, who are trying to influence Labour, write blogs on about terrible right wing people influencing the gender critical movement.

TRAs use the claims made by WPUK to convince Labour it's a right wing culture war.

There is a problem with the Far right forced teaming with GC concerns and people denying it look ridiculous at this point.

PoW are not going to attract voters/candidates with this backdrop, no matter how much they pretend this is all made up by WPUK.

Luckily there is a while before we get to another significant electoral opportunity so hopefully PoW can get its act together slightly to better represent womens concerns.

Pretty much this. A bunch of purity-spiralling mean girls. You don't tick all their conformation boxes, you are sitting at recess alone.

I guess when you are a 'professional' feminist rather than 'just' a woman then you might feel you have to guard, very fiercely, your sales pitch or patch.

I would say that I’ve been put off the GC movement a bit by how far right many of them are. I hadn’t realised this until I went to a rally, then investigated a bit more. I think it’s fair to raise it in the spirit of transparency

What sort of rally did you attend?

i don't recognise your description in the slightest from my six years of involvement with this issue; in six years of meeting with other women to organise and campaign.

What i do recognise is deranged and often, ironically, fascistic behaviour from mobs of trans activists whipped up into a frenzy: banging drums, hurling abuse, screaming for hours on end; kicking doors and windows, trying to dox people......

All of the women i know are or were Labour Party/Green party members; feminists, women working in teaching, health, mental health, trade union reps and so on.....

What was the rally? Are you sure it was the 'GC movement'?

LOL

Yep, that's an apt description of KJK fans

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it

I’m sure. Thank you

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Some major projection here. KJK’s movement gives a voice to all women. Ordinary women, left wing women, conservative women, religious women, unlikeable women, old women, young women. WPUK gatekeeps and only lets in the “right” type of women. Aka the sanctimonious “progressives” who, once this issue is rsolved, will be straight back into woke cancel culture and screaming bigot at everyone who doesn’t meet their purity standards.

So, what/where/when was the particular rally?

Oh, now you’ve said that, oops, giggles, it was actually not, got my rallies mixed up!! Silly me, sorry, hun

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A rally sounds quite 'fascistic' in itself. I'm picturing the anti-fascists holding their own rally at an event in which Tommy Robinson or other right wing working class men were holding theirs? The anti fascists could not exist without their counterparts - they are two cheeks of the same arse.