Anyone in Bristol Central voting for POW?

[WishingOnACar]

It’s close in this seat between Greens and Labour.

Green canvasser (male) came to the door this evening so I asked what the local candidate’s position is on single sex spaces. He immediately launched into a monologue about trans rights, talking about trans suicide rates as they are such a marginalised group, and that the issue of single sex spaces and trans rights has become toxic and everyone needs to be kinder about it. He doesn’t feel comfortable talking to me about it, because he’s a man. I pointed out that he’s there representing the views of Carla Denyer, not himself!

Anyway, he’s basically talked himself out of a Green vote from me, which is something that I had been considering. Interesting how he immediately mentioned trans rights when I had simply asked about single sex spaces - it’s clearly not something that Carla will be supporting, so that’s me out.

I’m toying with voting Labour, but increasingly think I might vote for KJK and POW party, just so my GC voice is counted.

Is that pointless?

I’m an NHS worker in a field where GC views would probably get me fired, so this feels like the only way I can have my (anonymous!) voice heard!

That means he thinks Denyer will win I guess.

I wonder where he got that from? This non partisan aggregation of polling doesn’t reflect Mr Dale’s view at all.

Presumably someone on the ground in Bristol, I don’t know as he didn’t say.

Not from the front row as if they were special guests 😂
I'm pretty sure she'd kick them out.

Anyway, we can have different opinions. It was this I was respinding to: I'm so bored with posters immediately trotting out the supposed connections between KJK and the far right. With no proof.

People aren't just making stuff up, is my point

Just a reminder that Thangam knows there are no abuse support options for women in Bristol because the Labour council ended them. She has failed to ever speak up about it, despite being asked to do so.

childrenoftransitioners.org/2024/04/13/the-trans-lobby-has-destroyed-provision-for-female-abuse-victims-in-bristol-and-elsewhere-and-will-do-the-same-for-the-victims-bill/

Rape and sex abuse support (SARSAS), Nextlink (domestic abuse and Freedom programme), Womankind etc- all mixed sex ( and even include men who say they are women in what they tell female victims are 'women only' groups). Women who need single sex support are left isolated and excluded.

This decision was made by a Labour council under a Labour mayor. Yet Thangam is silent and Keir says the Equality Act provisions are working well for women.

Whoever you vote for, please ask them about what action they will take to introduce single sex support female victims of male abuse can actually access, alongside the current mixed sex options.

Electoral calculus probably
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcwork23.py?seat=Bristol+Central

Debonnaire is by no means likely to win; if she loses to Denyer it means we lose a reasonable feminist to be replaced by a TWAW headbanger. Not sure that's a good outcome.

I've always been perplexed why KJK eventually settled on Bristol Central; I hope she doesn't end up taking votes that cause Debonnaire to lose the seat

In the end, who knows?
My vote is about Labour, no matter how hard-working TD is, Labour will blatantly trample over women's concerns. As I have said before - look at what they've been doing in Opposition, what will they do when they are in power?
Thangham has done nothing about this, no matter what a good local MP she is, and how (supposedly) GC she is.
My dh canvasses for her, and finds it worrying how many people are leaning towards the Greens. But this is because of the Palestinian Issue and also because many people don't want to see a big Labour majority. The Gender Issue has never come up with him but has come up with a female canvasser he knows.

@Sausagenbacon I never raise any issues with canvasers of any party, because I heard they make notes against your name about what you say. Don't know if it's true?

Would it matter if they did?

Do they?!

Thanks for all of the thoughts here, some really interesting and mixed views!

I think the only conclusion that I've come to is it's a definite no to Green, but I hadn't fully considered the possibility of voting for POW might mean that the Greens get in if POW take the vote from TD, so might be safest to vote Labour given they are likely to be the better of the two (Green vs Labour)

AFAIK they take down your general stance. If you have any particular issues, and the candidate is with them, they will call them over to discuss it with you. The point is to find people who support your party and, on election night, if you haven't voted, they will come and prompt you to vote.

CassieMaddox · Today 08:28

Apart from

Far right people live streaming her events from the front row
Far right people turning up at her events

What about the TEZs who turn up at her events? Does that make her a trans activist?

CassieMaddox · Today 11:04

People aren't just making stuff up, is my point

But they are, they are falsely claiming that she's in bed with Nazis and other far right nuts, when it's patently untrue. It's repeated by people with the critical analysis abilities of a particularly slow thrip.

I'm going for Thangam (as usual).

Momentarily tempted by Carla but ultimately it's a tactical vote from me.

A friend (in a different area) was just talking about tactical voting so I checked what is being suggested to Bristol Central, and they are suggesting Green. Wonder how much of a difference that will make to things (and why they are suggesting that given no chance of a Tory win here)?

Aggregated polls here. Mix of predictions for Labour and Green
https://inglesp.github.io/apogee/constituencies/E14001131/

It doesn't look "patently untrue" to me. It looks like a perfectly reasonable hypothesis, supported by lots of circumstantial evidence. Therefore it comes down to a difference of opinion on how you judge that evidence, rather than "true/untrue".

The statement in the Pesutto case shows that it's not a slam dunk. If it were, then both sides wouldn't have had to issue non-apology apologies; and both sides wouldn't be claiming the other side settled. There would be a clear winner.

The complete lack of respect of even tolerance for a different opinion on KJK is why people on this board get accused of fangirling. It appears there is no objective appraisal of why people who are GC might not want to be associated with her and what she stands for.

don't know about her nominating officer

The Party Of Women nominating officer is Paul Duddridge

Thank you. What a lovely home page that is.

You are definitely making up "the front row as if they were special guests".

all of those are attempts at guilt by association. TRAs have much worse guilt by association than women so I wouldn’t bother.

and all of these accusations are nonsense anyway- eg Aja marching in a rally against two tier policing (given how she has experienced it in practice at LWS) is not “far right” or “trumpian”. It’s her excercising her right to freedom of speech. And yes, people claiming to be right wing have turned up at KJK events but so do noisy misogynist TRAs. She isn’t responsible for either of them nor is the fact they turn up indicative that she supports their views

CassieMaddox · Today 11:27

It doesn't look "patently untrue" to me.

Well, I'm afraid I can't help you.

It looks like a perfectly reasonable hypothesis, supported by lots of circumstantial evidence.

Circumstantial evidence isn't unequivocal evidence, though is it? If Nazis turn up and crash her event, unprevented by Police and she later says that she doesn't support them and doesn't want them attending, (she has, people have posted the statements) then how can you possibly, logically claim that it's a reasonable hypothesis?

I can only conclude that you have an agenda here and aren't posting in good faith.

None of the evidence supports the dishonest claims that she's on the far right, or involved with them. None at all.

Fair enough if you don't like her, but it's wrong to ascribe things to her, which she doesn't stand for.

Well she didn't tell them to eff off and they seemed to have a prime location, even preventing KJK accessing her own equipment.

If not invited, her stewards were doing a rubbish job.

Anyway blah. She brings it on herself by not calling them out

Do you think the same about the TRA counter protesters? Or Gaza protesters?

People tend to assume that people march for causes they believe in. Tommy Robinson is a far right misogynistic thug. She has the right to choose to "exercise her free speech" by marching at one of his events; I have the right to draw my own conclusions from that and voice them.