David Tennant - Wishes Kemi B would ‘shut up’

[Justme56]

https://metro.co.uk/2024/06/21/strictly-star-robin-windsor-honoured-posthumously-2024-british-lgbt-awards-21083694/

Ha ha I was watching Good Omen's 2 and commented that I thought Tennant could either act or do accents, so when he puts on that estuary English he plays the 10th Doctor but can only play that one part.

Kemi about to be interviewed on GB News. Will be interesting if she speaks about DT.

It started off with David Tennant!

Later on, here she is explaining why the Conservative party want to clarify that sex in the Equality Act means biological sex: "Nobody asks you for a piece of paper or a certificate when you're going to the toilet. We all use sight to know who should be there and who shouldn't be there. What we're trying to prevent is people thinking that some men are allowed to be there if they say they are trans when they are not. So the paperwork is long after things have gone wrong and then you go to court, but it's so that people who own those businesses where they don't know what to do, know that the law is on their side if they are right. At the moment they don't."

And as for DT - she said he should apologise to her.

I'm currently watching Dr Who from 2005 with DS. What's striking about Eccleston and Tennant is they are so cold at times. There's not the same being nice all the time in more recent series. There isn't the same coldness.

But one of the themes is you can't just kill 'for the greater good'. Why? Because that turns you into a monster you are trying to fight. There's lots of parallels between defeating the daleks (the Nazis) and being human or timelord (being liberal).

The fact that this is an overriding story arc is fascinating.

I am so sorry how awful for you and your family. The pain must be horrendous.

I have had similar recently with a friend's son which ended tragically.

But I cannot tell you how I feel about "celebrities" mouthing off about things they do not understand or want to understand. As every time I post how I feel about them (DT & EB) it gets deleted.

I find the doctor now has almost entirely lost his alien qualities. There's very little sense of him being so different that we can't quite understand his motivations.

He's just a sexy overpowered space guy now.

Anyone watching the Suranne Jones doc about the Salem Wich trials? Somehow reminded me of DT and his buddies.

Yes watched the first one last night.
Both me and DP remarked that it's crazy we are seeing the same patterns repeated in modern times and are unable to speak out.
I am more cynical and think that it is only modern hubris that makes us think we are more civilised from the past. How people can think we've socially evolved so much that this doesn't happen to frightening extents in this day and age actually makes me snort, when we have plenty of examples in living history and ages past alike.

I think humans will do a lot better when we admit in terms of evolution we are not that much higher than our primate cousins. Male behaviour in particular around violence, sex and resources needs to be acknowledged as part of us that we need to actively restrain and not just an unusual bug of the species.

The persecution of women for witchcraft is just the historical version of what is going on right now. It is so obvious I can only assume people who can't see it are in extreme denial. From the Salem witch trials to Gilead, it is the same thing. Men silencing, controlling and abusing women. In Afghanistan, Iran, China, to name just a few places that are allowed to be mentioned.

I think humans will do a lot better when we admit in terms of evolution we are not that much higher than our primate cousins. Male behaviour in particular around violence, sex and resources needs to be acknowledged as part of us that we need to actively restrain and not just an unusual bug of the species.

The progressive left is going to have to get over its Utopian tendencies for this to happen.

The progressive Left think they're already there. The cognative dissonance needed to wish thinly veiled death threats on a woman who disagrees with them with such regularity it's basically unremarkable shows this up for the fallacy it is.

They actually try to justify it by casting any opposition or glitches with visions of said utopia as symptoms of unevolved minds. That's why they can't wait for us to die off, they've convinced themselves that the reason we haven't arrived at this amazing assault, violence, persecution, Inequality free utopia is because merely mentioning the ideas brings them into being and people who do so need to go.

It's like the whole not mentioning sex based differences and think the problems with women's reproductive value and devaluing will go away. They think if they ignore it they can high mind themselves out of biology.

That's a lot of words to say they're thick twats, isn't it?

If only women would stop thinking we're human, the world would be fine then and apes men could get on with fucking anything they want without these tiresome complaints.

I think it's helpful to look at those who are more overt in their misogyny to understand this barely hidden misogyny.

Most ancient/religious understanding of men and women is borne from the idea that women are created from and for men. Helpmeets.

I think once you accept that liberal men keep this idea in their collective unconscious, it makes a lot of their behaviour make sense.

(I mean liberal men as in dear Dr thinly veiled death threats, obviously those men who are truly progressive for women are not included, but I think they are probably the ones who have confronted and acknowledged their shadow selves).

David Tennant and his wife have knowingly lied to their child by affirming his gender identity and denying his sex. DT is angry because if we don't continue the lie, his child will realise he's been lying and it totally undermines his parental power. It's like the weirdest parent who insists that everyone still keeps pretending to a 12 year old that Father Christmas exists. Sorry David, you have to own up to the lie you told and tell your child that he will always be male, despite whatever he feels. A white rich boy with celebrity connections is entering adolescence thinking he can choose how people perceive him and refer to him, it's a very dangerous privilege to bestow.

It's a cult.

I keep seeing this pattern.

My brother rejected me. My parents affirmed. Long term it hasn't helped them maintain contact.

Your family is always a reminder of your past. The past you are trying to escape and suppress through transition.

So many thoughts about this.

It feels as though DT has got carried away by the wave of applause following him around. I've seen three clips of him over the past six months or so, at ComicCon - or similar events. He's been asked directly by young fans who ID as Trans if he supports them, and he's always stated that we are in the wrong and twice he's on camera telling them that we can F**k Off. This is before the last week's absolute shower.

His wife has been banging this drum much longer than him and has been, imo, really irresponsible. Before leaving Twitter/X she spent a while posting loads of 'anonymous' messages sent to her by teachers, who were all vowing to ignore the Govt draft guidance on not teaching GI as fact in RSE lessons. I thought that was a really dangerous thing to do - encouraging teachers to risk breaking the law if the consultation results don't go in their favour.

One thing I've noticed is that since Staged and Good Omens, both he and Michael Sheen have got these new young fanbases. They seem to be very young, a lot of them are neurodiverse and loads of them seem to ID as Trans or non-binary.

There is a huge crossover between Dr Who/GO/Staged/Neil Gaiman fandom and it all seems to focus on DT/MS and their partners. I imagine at a time in their careers when they thought they would be slowing down or adjusting to playing older parts, they suddenly have this incredibly enthusiastic young fanbase, hero worshipping them, asking to be adopted by them and their partners, and producing huge amounts of fan art and gay fan fiction about them and shipping them as a gay couple.

I think it's turned his head and probably shored up his belief that he has things of great weight and import to pronounce. His wife is hugely invested in social media and in her identity as an 'ally' and so he's gone the same way, without any thought of consequences whatsoever.

In the same way that he obviously feels the need to publicly champion his son, he also probably doesn't want to upset or rock the boat with his new fanbase. If he did, he knows they'd turn rabid.

None of which excuses his rank misogyny. Or his clear assertion that 'it's all down to Georgia' - that's a statement that can go either way, so felt like a bit of surreptitious distancing disguised as 'thanks darling', in case it all goes wrong.

This is really interesting, and though I didn't know many of the details you mentioned here it fits with my impression of him - he's subject to "audience capture". (I don't mean to imply that his behaviour isn't his fault, I think he's of an age where he should be well able to keep his head).

www.gurwinder.blog/p/the-perils-of-audience-capture

None of which excuses his rank misogyny. Or his clear assertion that 'it's all down to Georgia' - that's a statement that can go either way, so felt like a bit of surreptitious distancing disguised as 'thanks darling', in case it all goes wrong.

This was the exact impression I got, almost like he’s not taking responsibility for what he’s saying so if it does turn sour he’s on record saying his wife was the one who convinced him to be on ‘this side of history.’

I think he's a tosser but I do think it's his wife who has pushed all this on SM (He says he's not on SM doesn't he?) My DD follows her on insta and it sounds like LGBT++++ is her main topic of conversation. It annoys me so much because my DD only flaming follows her because of DT being DW and she actually believes the shite.

The level of fanfic about their characters in Good Omens has definitely increased over the years, even the podficcers are making content about them - lots of 'queer themed' fic is written about Aziraphale and Crowley 🤷‍♀️

I don't see the appeal meself but fandom really likes DT and MS and the actors' activism definitely helps increase their likeability with younger audiences.

The level of fanfic about their characters in Good Omens has definitely increased over the years, even the podficcers are making content about them - lots of 'queer themed' fic is written about Aziraphale and Crowley

It really annoyed me in the last series that the writers felt that they had to turn the friendship into some kind of romantic relationship. I much preferred the first series. Maybe that's because it lost the input of Terry Pratchett.

I didn't finish series two in part because of this. What happened to friendships? We already have "boys and girls can never just be friends", is it going to be "boys can't just be friends"? That's a lot of lonely islands...

Fan service and queer baiting are two of the more annoying developments in modern television’s interactions with social media.

GO has always attracted "slash" (aka "two gay men") fan fiction, even before the mini-series. What's changed is that the actors and script writers are now aware of it and reacting to it. I doubt that Az and Crowley would have kissed if Archive Of Our Own wasn't chockful of fan fiction in which they do that and more.

I know that reading slash makes my dysphoria about my female body worse because, being female, I can never have that kind of sex nor have that kind of inherently equal relationship with a man. Luckily, I realised twenty years ago that I can't be a man, no surgery nor hormones can grant that, so I kept my healthy intact female body even though I'm not happy with it. Multiply that dysphoria-worsening effect by a zillion teens who've drunk the koolaid and think they can change sex or that their sex doesn't matter, and you get this shitstorm.