Cross party support to make misogyny a hate crime

[CassieMaddox]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c899nxwz3y3o

Reform and Conservatives not interested, natch.

But this is great news. Looks like it will happen, and about bloody time.

The only way for this to work is if they can recognise what a woman actually is, rather than allowing men to claim to be women.

So it isn't to have misogyny as a stand alone Hate Crime in the way that Race is.

It will just be an aggravating factor when someone is charged with violence.

Pathetic.

I don't think anything should be a hate crime. A crime is a crime. It's not worse because someone falls into a particular identity category.

That's brilliant news. I'm so glad to see the parties work with eachother to protect women. It follows on from a recent cross-party vote to protect workers in Westminster.

I hope this will continue throughout the next Parliament.

I have mixed feelings about making misogyny a hate crime: I want to see society taking hatred of women seriously but I don't trust the current crop of politicians and NGOs to draft legislation that will benefit actual women and that won't be OTT with regards to civil liberties.

This is my thought as well.

In Scotland when the Hate Crime Bill was going through Parliament, plenty of women made the argument that sex should be included as a protected characteristic in the list. But apparently there were worries that by adding it to the list, the police would be swamped with too many reports to deal with them. 🤨

And yet, all those who rejected the idea are VERY keen on a misogyny bill which will undoubtedly include men in the definition of women.

So apparently the police have no resources to deal with a tsunami of hatred against women.... But they want a shiny new piece of legislation..... That miraculously the police will be able to enforce despite being understaffed and under resourced 🤨🤨🤨

I smell bullshit and a way for certain types of politicians to manufacture more and more meaningless legislation. It's also a way for the gender zealots to push for the inclusion of men in legislation claiming to be for women - which can then be used to embed the concept of 'gender identity' into law while weaponising the law against women. You can bet a woman will be charged with 'transmisogyny'. This is an actual term used in these circles.

I agree with this.

THIS.

Totally useless. Like all hate crimes - it starts with definitions. The whole concept of hate crimes is proving counterproductive. The law as it stands is not being applied properly - deal with that first.
Labour is offering more virtue signalling.

Rape is a serious crime - deal with sentencing. Are we really going to have two tier sentencing. What about domestic violence - was the attack misogyny or does he just not like you?

I don't think anything should be a hate crime. A crime is a crime. It's not worse because someone falls into a particular identity category.
This

I'm totally and 100% against this being made a crime until it's crystal fucking clear that men with special bits of paper or hurty feelz aren't being counted as women. And the GRA is repealed and the PC of GR is removed.

Be extremely careful what you wish for.

Unenforceable

What even is a 'hate crime'?

Would this ever get used to benefit actual women?

The Scottish Misogyny Bill will include males- amp.theguardian.com/law/2021/feb/22/ill-set-no-limits-on-which-women-to-protect-from-hate-says-helena-kennedy

Males who are already covered by the Hate Crime Bill.

It's also telling how long the working groups have taken over the Misogyny Bill. It has been years and years. Given the fuck ups regarding the Hate Crime Bill and the institutional Misogyny of Police Scotland, I can't say I hold out much hope that it'll actually do anything.

I disagree.

It may not have different physical consequences but the emotional impact on the victim can be much stronger. It's one thing to be the victim of assault, it can be emotional something different to be the victim knowing you were "picked" because you're black, or Muslim, or gay etc.

A "hate crime" is any crime that's been motivated by hatred to the group with the relevant characteristic. It's used as an aggravating factor in sentencing. It's not a specific crime in itself.
So for example if a woman gets assaulted by a stranger in the street who uses misogynistic language while doing it, that could be recorded as a hate crime and attract a tougher sentence.
Or female MPs getting death threats online - the offenders would get a tougher sentence if the crime was deemed motivated by misogyny.
It's a good thing imo.

Racism isn't a stand alone hate crime

Eh?
I'm not Scottish but I thought the reason sex was not added to the hate crime bill was because the government were designing a specific bill for misogyny

The Scottish Misogyny Bill will include males.

Unfortunately, in Scotland, if this bill goes through, women could be accused of both a misogynistic hate crime and a transphobic hate crime, if they say that a man cannot be a woman. Nice double whammy ,eh?

Surely that's an argument for better victim support. Rather than having a tier system for deciding crimes are 'worse' based on a list of characteristics - which encourages lobby groups to push for more and more characteristics to be added to this list because it carries weight and clout. It should be unacceptable to pick on anyone for something they have no control over.

I hope thenumber of women this positively affects, and the fact it might make men think twice about being misogynistic prices, will outweigh the negative impact of a TW crime victim being recorded in both categories.

Although tbh I can't fully see the issue as victims can be recorded in multiple categories at the moment (disabled and gay, for example).

Although tbh I can't fully see the issue as victims can be recorded in multiple categories at the moment (disabled and gay, for example).

The problem is that a male victim of crime could be recorded as gay disabled etc, because they are members of that group. However, men cannot be women, therefore it is ridiculous to include them as victims of misogyny. Men are not women.

And the Police will of course take a Misogyny Bill seriously.

Oh wait....

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/08/treating-misogyny-hate-crime-waste-time-officers-say-police/

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/police-blast-plans-criminalise-misogyny-29431023

I'm not surprised the Torygraph and Daily Express hate the idea. GB news probably does too 😂

Is there a substantive reason for it or is it just they are happy for misogyny to be tolerated?

Also that's the Scottish misogyny bill, which looks quite different to thos proposal. That looks like it's going to make misogyny a crime rather than an aggravating factor so yes, given the scale of misogyny in society it will mean extra work for the police.