Cross party support to make misogyny a hate crime

[CassieMaddox]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c899nxwz3y3o

Reform and Conservatives not interested, natch.

But this is great news. Looks like it will happen, and about bloody time.

Fascinating? Personally, I think it's tragic that the left has so entirely eviscerated their trust capital with women, that it is now a reflex to comb through policies and language to look for the lies hiding in plain sight.

OK. Well it comes across quite paranoid to me, given we haven't had a left wing government for over a decade. It's a bit "reds under the bed".

Regardless of political persuasion, I struggle to see how anyone objects to putting misogyny on the same footing as racism, homophobia, anti semitism etc.

Yes, your opinion is entirely known.

Might that be because over the past few years the sustained attack on women's rights has been ignored by "the left", or they have pretended not to notice and hoped it would just go away, or have directly aided and abetted it? The Labour Party, The Guardian, trade unions: all dutifully chanting TWAW. And you wonder why so many are left cynical and skeptical?

I'm glad the incoming government will do something to address the damage done to women's rights and circumstances by 14 years of sexist, misogynist Tory government.

Just wait and see what Labour will do

Or are were all meant to forget that we were called 'rights hoarding dinasoars'?

It should be just as unacceptable to pick on someone for something they DO have control over – expressing that they're gay by wearing a slogan T-shirt, say, or a man choosing to wear a dress and heels.

When you can't play the ball, foul the player 🙄
This is actually a thread about misogyny and protecting women from it.

The ball is entirely withered, Cassie. It's abandoned in a gutter, deflated and covered in moss.

What's (grimly) funny though is that the SNP and Scottish Greens, both of whom have presided over single sex exemptions being decimated in services across Scotland are...(whispers) left wing.

The fight for women's rights will never wither or be abandoned as long as there are feminists.

If we need the concept of hate crime, then of course it ought to have always included misogyny.

It is only due to misogyny that it was never in the original draught.

However, do I trust the institutionally misogynist police and CPS to handle this now?

If Maya Forstater can be threatened with arrest for pointing out a male doctor is abusing their position of power / ignoring the requirement for patient consent when she has used the publicly published words of the doctor for evidence, then no, I don't think our institutions of power will use this as anything positive towards women. Most of society is set up to prioritise men over women. Anything brought in to try and redress the balance will be appropriated by males one way or another.

The fight for women? No, clearly I was referring to the daily clocking on of particular posters to paint the opinions of women they disagree with as manifestations of paranoia, rather than informed positions arrived at after many years of observation.

It's so old now. The finger wagging. The demand to be less cynical in the face of evidence to the contrary, despite the air quotes that hang over previously understood and now completely mangled words and lawyer-like phrases that make loopholes as quickly as dropped stitches.

It's so boring and unnecessary at this point because come July 4th, and the years that will follow, we'll all get to see this car crash of word-bollocks play out with "women", safe spaces (drop a stitch) and what misogyny looks like when you cannot point to a women when you should not say such things.

But hate crime is specific to an outlook or pattern of behaviour. That's almost a definition of what separates it from crime that is not hate-related. It's a crime triggered by the criminal's assumption that they have the right to attack because their victim is 'Other,' that the victim somehow deserves the crime because of their otherness.

Racism is an outlook and pattern of behaviour. Racists automatically assume someone of a different colour, creed or religion is inferior to them, has no place in their society, deserves to be ridiculed, bullied, sidelined, should show respect and know their place and be grateful for crumbs and be extra polite and not assert themselves or be too visible or be openly different from what the hate-criminal determines as 'normal.'. Any progress made by people from the targeted race is seen as positive discrimination or wokery gone mad, rather than an acknowledgement of the person's abilities.

All of these are equally relevant to misogyny, aren't they? Is there a significant difference?

OK. Shame you feel like that about a post I've made about a feminist issue, nothing like a good purity spiral though.

Yes exactly. Well put.

"Purity spiral" - oh, there's another one, I'll just pop it in the mangled box with the other things that are completely untethered from reality.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/street-harassment-laws-explained-mps-approve-crime-b1017316.html

This kind of legislation - specific and enforceable is useful. It concentrates on behaviour.
Misogyny is in the eye of the beholder. Would you really be happy with a rapist being described as innocent of misogyny and given a lesser sentence. How will the victim feel.
In sentencing aggravating factors can already be taken into account.
This will not protect women and is just an attempt to placate them. Make the police use the laws they already have.

You can do both.
Inciting racial hatred is a specific crime. Racism is an aggravating offence making a crime a hate crime.

If a random man spits on me in the street and calls me a "stupid bitch" just for being a female in public, I'd quite like that to be treated as a more serious common assault, rather than a new specific crime. Because by treating it more seriously society is saying it won't be tolerated.

Please read the article and my post again.
This street harassment bill has cross party support including the Conservative Government.
It is part of a strategy about VAWG.

As a previous poster pointed out

The Law Commission recommended that misogyny should not be made a hate crime. This was based on a lack of stakeholder consensus on how the proposal would work, and what the benefits might be. They noted that it could add unhelpful complexity to the prosecution of Violence Against Women and Girls (VAWG) by creating a ‘hierarchy’ of offences. The Government accepted this recommendation. Given the research and consultation that went into the Law Commission’s report, we recognise the challenges in designating misogyny a hate crime. But we are also clear that more needs to be done to tackle the root causes of misogyny and violence against women and girls.

www.equalityhumanrights.com/media-centre/blogs/hate-crime-uk-law-commissions-recommendations

I disagree with them. As do the Fawcett Commission, as linked.

And I disagree with you and the Fawcett Commision. So let's agree to differ, nothing more to be said.

Yes absolutely this.

Yes this crap is infuriating. 😡