Sunak: I’ll change the Equality Act to protect women’s spaces

[Binglebong]

Sorry to dump and run but this needed sharing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/02/rishi-suank-equality-act-protect-womens-spaces-tory/

The mechanism is slightly different to the Conservatives, the end point is the same

No, it isn’t. Not unless Labour clarify that ‘biological women’ means actual females, ie those with XX chromosomes. And does NOT include biological men with a GRC.

She didn't succeed in explaining though, did she? Her performance throughout this morning's news round was really woeful.

Why do you keep posting Labour links whilst stating ‘this thread is about the Tories’

Is it Repeal the GRA and wanting GRCs again.

No.

It’s a thread about problems with the Equality Act and political ways to solve them (or not).

yes. Until Labour confirm that when they are discussing 'biological sex' that they do not include those male people who have now got that certificate that treats them for all purposes as female, then this will remain ambiguous.

This is what has been said by Keir Starmer:

A woman is a female adult, and in addition to that trans women are women, and that is not just my view — that is actually the law. It has been the law through the combined effects of the 2004 [Gender Recognition] Act and the 2010 [Equality] Act. So that’s my view. It also happens to be the law in the United Kingdom.

https://archive.ph/1ZZW5

Therefore, this is ambiguous that Starmer now means whether the term 'women' now means only female people when referring to single sex.Strangely, clearing this up would be very simple and would be a vote winner obviously. As pointed out why Sunak has done this. Why are Labour not making this very clear as Kemi has?

Are we to believe the Tories will do as they say? They never have before. Too late.

Who are you? MNHQ ?

You re happy to bring in Starmer and Thornberry, so i'll bring in funding, which as this is a thread about what the Tories plan on doing, is very relevant.

Are you looking forward to Labour’s stance?

No change to EqA and GP / medic signing off GRCs?

I wasn’t the one who brought in Starmer and Thornberry.

I am also not the one saying ‘why are we even discussing this issue, we should be discussing funding’.

Can you show me the post where i said that?

Funding and changes to any act, go hand in hand, i guess you don't like that because it highlights the Tories dismal failures on providing funds for women and childrens services.

This thread is about the Equality Act. Repeated posts about funding are just derails.

Rayner wades in:

• Rayner: Tory gender law reform pledge 'nonsense'Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner has also said that the Conservatives' pledge to reform the Equality Act if they win the upcoming general election is "nonsense".
• She says Labour introduced the Equality Act, and it has "stood test of time" with exemptions and safeguards for women-only spaces.
• Rayner says the Conservative party's policies are "unravelling" and "they could've introduced guidance".
• "Labour believes that further guidance needs to be given, but I don't think we need to be changing the Equality Act," she adds.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-69082668

Let's not do that. I don't want to it to be legal to pay women a lower wage than men for the same work.

You said The fact is that Starmer has said he is committed to making Self Id easier
The reality is "The requirement to obtain a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria remains an important part of accessing a gender recognition certificate..... Requiring a diagnosis upholds legitimacy of applications and confidence in the system."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

Anything that requires a diagnosis is not Self Identification. Either you have not been following or you made it up.

• She says Labour introduced the Equality Act, and it has "stood test of time" with exemptions and safeguards for women-only spaces.

We can argue all day whether it should be the EqA or the GRA that is amended/ repealed or whatever but this statement from Rayner is ignorant bullshit.

If it had stood the test of time none of this crap would have happened to women and we wouldn't be in this position.

wtf indeed

How has it stood the test of time when we have this mess from
their pieces of legislation

Fuckers. They’ll get their mandate. TRAs will be happy

Here we go.

"No one is talking about funding, can change the law all you like but without money?"

Considering up to this post you tried multiple time to introduce 'funding' into the thread, would you like to tell us how this is not you trying to deflect the thread onto discussing funding?

If you didn't want the discussion to prioritise discussing funding over the topic which is a manifesto discussion about changing the equality act, why were you complaining 'no one is talking about funding' on a thread that is about changing the law.

Your post clearly is saying changing the law is lower priority are you trying to position this post as 'merely making a point' and not wanting us to include posting about funding?

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How much more clear does it need to be than saying nothing in the reformed GRA will over ride the protection for biological women? Its very clearly 2 separate things. Legal women and biological women. Exactly as Badenoch says.

This is true. It is bullshit. Because it has not been tested at all and legal experts are divided on what it all means. So, either they have very clear guidance which they should publish and make public, or they have not been listening, or they are not being truthful here.

Which spaces will be single sex only?

Can you list them?

And how will Labour ensure men with a GRC will not have access?

Having listened to the BBC all day it's like a Bat Signal went up to steer any discussion onto "it's a Culture War thing".

The Tories have handled this badly, not just today but over the past couple of years. But, even so, watching this suggestion (it's not even a policy) being turned into a narrative on which points can be scored rather than being examined to inform the audience is dispiriting.

Correct as always. Like a pp said, the last thing I want is to lose all the women’s rights the Equality Act enshrined

Having listened to the BBC all day it's like a Bat Signal went up to steer any discussion onto "it's a Culture War thing”

Yes this is a major issue for women and children

"Stood the test of time"

No.

If anything is "unravelling", it's Dodds' awful GRA plans. Perhaps the fact they are pushing further away from that position means we'd have no change under Labour. Not at all what I want but I certainly do not want GPs signing off AGPs' special certificates.