Sunak: I’ll change the Equality Act to protect women’s spaces

[Binglebong]

Sorry to dump and run but this needed sharing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/02/rishi-suank-equality-act-protect-womens-spaces-tory/

That's a 'fuck you I don't care about women' from Rayner.

Statements like this by Rayner are why women feel gaslit by Labour. Stop pretending the EqA safeguards were robust enough.

Everything that has happened and come to light - prisons, sports, refuges, changing rooms etc. are more than ample proof it's not protected women.

She can argue against the Tory approach but to basically say 'nothing to see here' is just lying.

I wasn’t in any doubt where her allegiance stood

TRA aligned

No actually. Because Starmer states that legal sex is treated like biological sex. And he has not stated that there are any exception in his view. Hence, us asking to see the exact words where Starmer has stated categorically as has sunak today and as can be drawn from Kemi’s interview that you laughing cried posted as a mess, and her previous statements.

Starmer has left it ambiguous and continues to use safe spaces and not single sex spaces. If you have been convinced, maybe you have a much lower bar for trusting explicit words than others on this thread.

Your claims have remained unconvincing. Particularly in light of your continued posts to mock Kemi Badenoch’s interview rather than actually discussing it.

Yes I thought this would happen.

And it doesn't matter what the Tory motives are.

It has taken over a decade of campaigning to get politicians to discuss this, and the party that is likely to be Labour with a huge majority, their response is a direct slap in the face of women.

Not just on the issue itself, but by sneering at all of us who have been active for just being involved in a "woke war".

This sums up Labour and its attitude to women.
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The irony is that Labour in mislabelling Single Sex Services as in the EA as "Safe Spaces" are in fact confirming, that women aren't safe in "spaces" where biological males are, and so are kind enough to say occassionally we are allowed single sex services to be safe. ie Labour agrees that women aren't safe where men can claim admittance, but we should just STFU and accept that we cant be safe.

I whole heartedly agree.

And people wonder why there is such a low level of trust in even the words of this executive team. I notice too that Rosie Duffield and others cannot clarify either. Meaning, they might not trust the words either. Otherwise they would be confirming and supporting these statements. Has she? I may have missed it? Last I heard she has not confirmed that Labour policy is directly clear on this. She is still campaigning like the rest of us.

That's exactly the same as what Badenoch said. Legal women and biological women

The EA allows for exemptions for biological women only. Labour propose better guidance and training so providers are confident they won't get sued. Tories propose updated wording so providers are confident they won't get sued. It's a (minor) difference in approach not goal. And neither is going to guarantee a full range of single sex spaces.

You’re clearly much more easily pleased and trusting than I am. Labour, including Starmer, have repeatedly made clear they class men with a GRA as biological women. So no, is isn’t clear and needs to be much more so.

Labour have had a huge opportunity today to make this clear. Instead, Rayner’s made it clear that she gives not a shiny shit for the right and safeguarding of women and children. Why is that?

Please stop using this inaccuracy.

As already said 14 years ago nobody care about this, and may women weren't even aware of it as an issue.

It is because so many women came together to campaign once they realised the situation with the proposal to amend the GRA that this is on the agenda.

So stop insulting women who have worked so hard to get this on the political agenda. Including many on FWR

And focus on the real problem.

The Labour are just brushing this off as woke wars.

Were you campaigning for this 14 years ago?

Exactly.

Unfortunately for Rayner there is nowhere to hide now.

Labour can say what they like, but women who understand the problems will want to go head to head with them.

And if they chicken out of debating, then that will become the issue.

too many people have got a vested interest, either way.

Women, politicians, TRAs.

This is going to fairly crackle along.

No. Again.

she states they are to be completely separated for some applications and she is clear she wants single sex spaces to be biological sex only.

Labour has not used clear language.

As I said, if you have been convinced by these words, great. But stop trying to shame others who seek to have this clarified beyond any other interpretation.

I’m looking forward to change.

Everything that has happened and come to light - prisons, sports, refuges, changing rooms etc. are more than ample proof it's not protected women

More than that, these are all things that were put to the likes of Lammysaurus when the GRA was being put through.

Every single warning and concern raised by the then Opposition has come to pass.

Yes, trying to frame legitimate concerns about the rights and safety of women and children as a ‘culture war’ in an attempt to dismiss concerns and ignore them makes clear their views. However, this could massively backfire on Labour, as nobody likes to feel their concerns are being listened to when it comes to voting.

You know what they mean is all this happened under the Conservatives watch. The Conservatives definitely knew about it in 2015 and yet they still put men in womens prisons, reported men as women criminals, etc etc. They reduced the GRC charge to a fiver in 2021

It is astounding the Tories think they can somehow make this a Labour issue. Mind you, looking at the polls I'm not sure they can, no matter if a few people like you buy their lame story.

Including their gender proposals?

She might want it but she's not legislating for it so it ain't gonna happen. That's my point. It is a failure on her part. She's trying to pull the wool over people's eyes and you are letting her do it.

And I'm not trying to "shame" anyone. I'm just pointing out the Tories are not protecting single sex spaces. Labour are actually irrelevant to the debate here, as much as you want to drag them into it.

David Lammy wasn't in parliament when the GRA was being put through. 20 years ago.
The Tories have had 14 years to repeal it if they wanted to

Apparently Penny Mordaunt has been confirmed for the 7-way debate . Going to be interesting seeing her sell this. It’s either a genius move or sabotage.

The reason it's a "culture war" is because Badenoch is claiming to protect women while doing nothing of the sort. It's all hot air designed to bamboozle voters. I'm sure most women who've followed this debate can see through it. The first few pages of the thread showed many are not convinced.

You want it repealed and want Labour’s proposals

Labour are aligned with TRAs

David Lammy wasn't in parliament when the GRA was being put through.

Errr...

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2004-02-23/debates/7fa2c35f-8043-4516-af9c-b12e02e672ec/GenderRecognitionBill

Rayner Just said that the equality act is fine and it has stood the test of time!

• She says Labour introduced the Equality Act, and it has "stood test of time" with exemptions and safeguards for women-only spaces.

Meanwhile a woman has been raped on a ward and the staff said it couldn't be a man because there wasn't a man there. Nurses are being stared at by men in their changing rooms and repeatedly told to get undressed. Women's sport across the board has been infiltrated by men. A male BDSM fetishist cracking a whip was employed to look after little girls.

The List goes on and on. On thing women and girls bloody aren't is safeguarded

And she appears to know fuck all about it.