Sunak: I’ll change the Equality Act to protect women’s spaces

[Binglebong]

Sorry to dump and run but this needed sharing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/02/rishi-suank-equality-act-protect-womens-spaces-tory/

Badenoch has made it clear it will remain the responsibility of businesses whether and how to provide single sex services.
Sunak can spout all the waffle he likes, the fact is even after the election you will potentially be in a cubicle next to a TW in M&S.

And single sex wards are already policy and it keeps getting broken because the NHS under the Conservatives can't afford it.

After 14 years of a government who are actually proven liars and law breakers, I don't believe it if there is even a hint of fudge. And there is more than a hint from Badenoch.

The power for a Minister to amend an Act is defined within that Act as is what can be amended. The EA2010 doesn't grant the power to amend its definitions to a Minister by means of a Statutory Instrument. It will require primary legislation.

This is a thread about the Tories. I'm sure you can Google the relevant info yourself

Can you please post the link of Starmer using the degree of clarity of language that both Sunak and Badenoch have used?

And Thornberry?

Because otherwise, your claim that they are 'the same' is false.

Because with Starmer, he has not, nor has his executive team, clarified that to Labour single sex means 'biological sex' and ONLY biological sex will have access to spaces designated as single sex.

Please post it. Because I would LOVE to have that clarified for my own voting decision. Or is it just a false claim.

Nope. You have said it multiple times. If you say it, you should be able to support it.

Otherwise, why spread misinformation?

Yes, we know that it will be our responsibility to campaign for corporations outside of the privately funded sector such as retailers and offices to make use of the EA exceptions. What is new about that?

Single sex wards policy is broken because it is not law as far as I know. It is 'policy' and each NHS Trust decides whether to follow guidance at this time.

Yes, I think we are aware of your tribal thoughts on the Tory party and your personal feelings on Kemi Badenoch. I believe you laughed so much that she might have been shown up that you didn't seem to understand what she was actually saying.

Oh is that how it works?
<awaits like proving Labour are proposing gp self ID and biological men in EA exempt spaces>

I prefer businesses to not have the legal threat from TRAs hanging over them

The pp clearly wants that to stay.

Who benefits? Not women or girls that’s for sure

Men do

Anyway, I see Farage has taken the limelight off Badenoch. As if today could not get more ridiculous - that's gender off the evening news

Labour have also said they want to take that threat away so you are just smearing me now and I don't appreciate it.

Why do you care?

It’s not like you want gender up front

No that’s not going to happen. You need legal change not status quo

This comes too late to do any good. Now that the Tories are facing a likely defeat, they're grabbing any issue that will bring in some votes. It's not that they think it's a bad idea, but if they really cared about this, they'd have done it long ago.

I’ve seen posters state that Labour have said they’ll protect single sex spaces multiple times across multiple threads, but nobody has ever been able to post a link proving that. At best, it’s been Starmer trying to weasel his way out of it with what he thinks is the clever obfuscation of ‘safe spaces’ and the like.

Posters aren’t able to post proof because there isn’t any.

Labour have had a clear chance today to state unequivocally that they will protect women’s rights and single sex spaces but they have deliberately gone the other way. Their intent is clear.

"Safe spaces for biological women only" is pretty unequivocal.

Please provide the evidence of this statement. It is one that you have stated and said is supported.

And you even posted a link that didn't use that kind of precise language at all to support it.

So, either you have nothing and have tried to convince us otherwise, or you really are just here to show your tribal attitude about this discussion and that you are not actually interested in the potential of how this may work.

I think it is good to know that you cannot support such a claim that actually would have convinced many of us here on this thread.

As far as the GP sign off, that has been reported as a potential idea. It is a very poor one in my opinion and amounts to self ID. Because that is the reality. As mentioned, there already was a consultation about self id in 2020, yet, Labour are doing another one. Why? Why not take the submissions from the last one to guide their decisions?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

"We need to recognise that sex and gender are different – as the Equality Act does. We will make sure that nothing in our modernised gender recognition process would override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act. Put simply, this means that there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access. Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services."

The mechanism is slightly different to the Conservatives, the end point is the same.

This is a thread about the Tories

This does not state that Starmer has stated that 'biological sex' mean ONLY biological sex and doesn't include those with 'legal sex'. As per his other statements that he has not clarified.

This is a thread about the Tories

And

Farage has taken the limelight off Badenoch.

Which is it?

Can you state where the Conservatives have said they will protect spaces for biological women, because all I've heard is them saying they will protect businesses from being sued?

I posted quite a number of links.

Did you miss those?

Badenoch is a Tory. Farage is pitching to take votes of the Tories. So yes, fits on a thread about Tories.
I wonder if she's cross or relieved 😂

Thinking that Badenoch is not going to be discussing this issue for the next month is quite a take. But hey.... Farage .... look over there....

What are you claiming I've "made up?". You are going to have to provide counter evidence or else I suggest you are simply displaying ignorance of what is and has been going on behind the scenes for years now.

Too busy crying laughing