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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

KJK supports Trump

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NefertitiV · 31/05/2024 02:36

After the Trump verdict today, KJK retweeted three supportive tweets to her timeline, including one from US ex-Fox host Megyn Kelly that says "Guilty on all counts. The country is disgraced. Alvin Bragg should be disbarred. They will rue the day they released this lawfare to corrupt a presidential election."

Another tweet makes fun of President Biden's stutter.

This is someone currently up for election herself. Given her recent remarks about barring rentals to all trans people, and the fact she has received funding from US conservative political groups, does this concern you?

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CassieMaddox · 01/06/2024 15:36

AlisonDonut · 01/06/2024 14:09

Well, there wasn't a plan for Self ID until she helped write a document that demanded it.

There is one aim of the Spousal Veto, which is to allow women to exit a heterosexual marriage before it becomes a 'homosexual' one. So if a GRC is applied for, the wife can block it until a divorce. She thinks this is awful, that a woman is allowed to block a GRC application. What else could she think is awful about it?

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Did she? What's your evidence for that? All I can find is this one tweet...

CassieMaddox · 01/06/2024 15:39

I mean, equally I could post her tweet about WPUK:
https://x.com/jessphillips/status/931093574011191296

KJK supports Trump
CassieMaddox · 01/06/2024 15:43

AlisonDonut · 01/06/2024 14:09

Well, there wasn't a plan for Self ID until she helped write a document that demanded it.

There is one aim of the Spousal Veto, which is to allow women to exit a heterosexual marriage before it becomes a 'homosexual' one. So if a GRC is applied for, the wife can block it until a divorce. She thinks this is awful, that a woman is allowed to block a GRC application. What else could she think is awful about it?

Edited

There is one aim of the Spousal Veto, which is to allow women to exit a heterosexual marriage before it becomes a 'homosexual' one. So if a GRC is applied for, the wife can block it until a divorce.

It took 2 years for my divorce to be finalised.
I don't think one adult should be able to prevent another from transitioning if they want, that is controlling and inappropriate in my opinion.

So I agree about the spousal consent clause.
As I said upthread, I'd personally update it so that legal transition chosen by one partner also gives an automatic annulment to the other partner. Not even divorce, but a statement ths marriage wasn't valid.

That protects both adults and gives them both autonomy over their own decision.

I'm unclear why you interpreted JP tweet as "she wants to force women to stay married".

RufustheFactualReindeer · 01/06/2024 15:47

I don't think one adult should be able to prevent another from transitioning if they want, that is controlling and inappropriate in my opinion

you can’t stop someone from transitioning

you can stop them getting a legal document which changes the legal contract of marriage

masses of trans people do not have a grc and transition just fine, it is not a requirement

Sloejelly · 01/06/2024 15:47

As I said upthread, I'd personally update it so that legal transition chosen by one partner also gives an automatic annulment to the other partner. Not even divorce, but a statement ths marriage wasn't valid.

And marital assets? Rights to remain in the marital home? Inheritance and other tax differences in marriage? Children born within what they thought was a marriage?

RufustheFactualReindeer · 01/06/2024 15:48

Exactly sloe

CassieMaddox · 01/06/2024 15:57

Sloejelly · 01/06/2024 15:47

As I said upthread, I'd personally update it so that legal transition chosen by one partner also gives an automatic annulment to the other partner. Not even divorce, but a statement ths marriage wasn't valid.

And marital assets? Rights to remain in the marital home? Inheritance and other tax differences in marriage? Children born within what they thought was a marriage?

I said up thread that the financial remedy order can follow later. You can divorce without one in place already (if you are an idiot).
Children born in "what they thought was a different marriage" is what happens to many children of divorced parents.

Anyway let's not nitpick my thoughts. The point is there are reasons JP might call it an "awful piece of legislation" that don't refer to wanting to force women to stay married. Given her overall stance on women's rights I'd be amazed of that was the case and would quite like some more specific evidence.

AlisonDonut · 01/06/2024 15:58

I think people need to read some Transwidows threads to see exactly what goes on in a marriage where the man decides he and his wife are now 'lesbians'.

Let alone what the kids go through.

AlisonDonut · 01/06/2024 15:59

CassieMaddox · 01/06/2024 15:57

I said up thread that the financial remedy order can follow later. You can divorce without one in place already (if you are an idiot).
Children born in "what they thought was a different marriage" is what happens to many children of divorced parents.

Anyway let's not nitpick my thoughts. The point is there are reasons JP might call it an "awful piece of legislation" that don't refer to wanting to force women to stay married. Given her overall stance on women's rights I'd be amazed of that was the case and would quite like some more specific evidence.

You can always go ask her at a hustings.

Which is the fucking point.

CassieMaddox · 01/06/2024 16:02

I think people need to not assume they know what others have read and experienced based on their posts on MN.

Please provide evidence for your assertion that JP supports women being forced to enter a same sex marriage.

Especially in light of the fact people can't change sex Confused

Uipott · 01/06/2024 16:04

Jess Phillips speaking last year in Westminster Hall:

”The status quo is not working. People who are speaking in the debate probably feel anxious about doing so, and that is not a status quo that I recognise—for those of us on either side, if we have to have sides.
Sex and gender are different. I have never met a trans person who denied that over the years of having robust debate with them. In my life, the discrimination I have suffered at the hands of establishments, rather than just everyday sexism, has always been exclusively because of my biology. The obvious examples I could give are related to pregnancy. I was told not to bother to turn up for interviews because of pregnancy scan appointments, and that I was too young to decide whether I wanted to be sterilised at the age of 28, whereas my husband, just three years older than me, was allowed to make that decision without anyone batting an eyelid. I had to get two doctors to sign a thing to say that I could have an abortion. My biology really matters to me, and I have been treated poorly because of it. However, after making that point, I stress that my remarks will be about the issue of single-sex spaces and the safety of women. I am probably alone in this room as being somebody who has run single-sex spaces and used the part of the Equality Act that we are here to debate.
We all know that men’s violence against women and girls happens to women. Of course violence happens to men and, frankly, if someone needs services because they are a victim of domestic or sexual violence, I do not care which category they fall into—they are 100% entitled to expect access to those services. But the Equality Act has to allow for the fact that we need different kinds of services for different people’s needs, understandably. The Equality Act is a carefully balanced piece of legislation that recognises that women and men—let us be honest, it is less men—need protection from sex discrimination.
As part of that, women need to be able to have separate services, associations, charities and sports.The majority of victims of domestic violence are women, and they are much more likely to be seriously hurt or killed. We must be really careful to protect our intricate and finely balanced services for women. I am already seeing again and again that specialist women’s services are being decommissioned in favour of generic support services that have an all-or-nothing approach. This has almost nothing to do with trans people initially; it is entirely to do with the fact that they are expected to support men’s services as well. Services are being decommissioned, and there are situations where perpetrator and victim are in the same service. That is happening across the country. It is utterly devastating, and the Government should be looking at commissioning women-only spaces in the Procurement Bill, which we are debating tomorrow. I look forward to hearing everybody who stands up and fights for women-only services today saying the same thing and that they do not want the free hand of the market to decide. They should say that they want specialist women-only services, because the Government refused to put the word “woman” in the Domestic Abuse Bill and the Online Safety Bill—it is funny how they are keen on it now. I shall be pushing everybody who speaks in this debate to vote on that basis tomorrow.

Organisations are afraid of not getting funding and of authorities thinking that they have to have an all-or-nothing approach. It is a reality that we are already seeing. Part of the problem is the confusion and fear about the law. Believe me, it is our role as parliamentarians to sort that out, no matter how hard it might be. It cannot be left to the courts, and it cannot be left to individual women’s services to muddle through and fight legal battles. Believe me when I say this happens, because it happened to my organisation when we refused to interview a man for a job. These are small organisations with very little in the way of support.

The public service equality duty is one of the most important parts of the Equality Act, and it requires public service providers to consider the needs of different groups. When I was a commissioner of services on Birmingham City Council, I insisted on the commissioning of domestic abuse services for LGBT victims, and on having specialist services for south Asian women where I live. I think we should have specialist services for disabled people, because they have specific needs. At the moment, I feel that we are leaving some smaller organisations in a difficult situation. Along with Women’s Aid nationally, I believe that we should be able to provide sex-only services and that other services must be available.”

So - biology is real and is the basis for sexism; sex-based analysis of male violence; unequivocal case made for single sex services. Why attack one of the few politicians who’s actually made this case. Totally bizarre.

CassieMaddox · 01/06/2024 16:07

AlisonDonut · 01/06/2024 15:59

You can always go ask her at a hustings.

Which is the fucking point.

"The point" is actually about if it matters that KJK is a trump supporter. Had to check for a minute what thread I was on.

Actually it's kind of relevant I guess that Trump is good friends with former Woman of the Year, Caitlyn Jenner. In fact iirc he gave Caitlyn verbal permission to use the ladies in Trump Tower at any time. Trump seems to flip flop on gender quite a lot, I'm surprised KJK is a fan

CassieMaddox · 01/06/2024 16:15

Uipott · 01/06/2024 16:04

Jess Phillips speaking last year in Westminster Hall:

”The status quo is not working. People who are speaking in the debate probably feel anxious about doing so, and that is not a status quo that I recognise—for those of us on either side, if we have to have sides.
Sex and gender are different. I have never met a trans person who denied that over the years of having robust debate with them. In my life, the discrimination I have suffered at the hands of establishments, rather than just everyday sexism, has always been exclusively because of my biology. The obvious examples I could give are related to pregnancy. I was told not to bother to turn up for interviews because of pregnancy scan appointments, and that I was too young to decide whether I wanted to be sterilised at the age of 28, whereas my husband, just three years older than me, was allowed to make that decision without anyone batting an eyelid. I had to get two doctors to sign a thing to say that I could have an abortion. My biology really matters to me, and I have been treated poorly because of it. However, after making that point, I stress that my remarks will be about the issue of single-sex spaces and the safety of women. I am probably alone in this room as being somebody who has run single-sex spaces and used the part of the Equality Act that we are here to debate.
We all know that men’s violence against women and girls happens to women. Of course violence happens to men and, frankly, if someone needs services because they are a victim of domestic or sexual violence, I do not care which category they fall into—they are 100% entitled to expect access to those services. But the Equality Act has to allow for the fact that we need different kinds of services for different people’s needs, understandably. The Equality Act is a carefully balanced piece of legislation that recognises that women and men—let us be honest, it is less men—need protection from sex discrimination.
As part of that, women need to be able to have separate services, associations, charities and sports.The majority of victims of domestic violence are women, and they are much more likely to be seriously hurt or killed. We must be really careful to protect our intricate and finely balanced services for women. I am already seeing again and again that specialist women’s services are being decommissioned in favour of generic support services that have an all-or-nothing approach. This has almost nothing to do with trans people initially; it is entirely to do with the fact that they are expected to support men’s services as well. Services are being decommissioned, and there are situations where perpetrator and victim are in the same service. That is happening across the country. It is utterly devastating, and the Government should be looking at commissioning women-only spaces in the Procurement Bill, which we are debating tomorrow. I look forward to hearing everybody who stands up and fights for women-only services today saying the same thing and that they do not want the free hand of the market to decide. They should say that they want specialist women-only services, because the Government refused to put the word “woman” in the Domestic Abuse Bill and the Online Safety Bill—it is funny how they are keen on it now. I shall be pushing everybody who speaks in this debate to vote on that basis tomorrow.

Organisations are afraid of not getting funding and of authorities thinking that they have to have an all-or-nothing approach. It is a reality that we are already seeing. Part of the problem is the confusion and fear about the law. Believe me, it is our role as parliamentarians to sort that out, no matter how hard it might be. It cannot be left to the courts, and it cannot be left to individual women’s services to muddle through and fight legal battles. Believe me when I say this happens, because it happened to my organisation when we refused to interview a man for a job. These are small organisations with very little in the way of support.

The public service equality duty is one of the most important parts of the Equality Act, and it requires public service providers to consider the needs of different groups. When I was a commissioner of services on Birmingham City Council, I insisted on the commissioning of domestic abuse services for LGBT victims, and on having specialist services for south Asian women where I live. I think we should have specialist services for disabled people, because they have specific needs. At the moment, I feel that we are leaving some smaller organisations in a difficult situation. Along with Women’s Aid nationally, I believe that we should be able to provide sex-only services and that other services must be available.”

So - biology is real and is the basis for sexism; sex-based analysis of male violence; unequivocal case made for single sex services. Why attack one of the few politicians who’s actually made this case. Totally bizarre.

Thank you - brilliant speech from Jess.

Delphinium20 · 01/06/2024 16:17

I think any prominent woman in a country other than the US who publicly supports the now felon, Donald Trump, is not helpful to American women fighting for our rights-many rights UK women take for granted, we can't. I'd like to work with women across the pond who share similar goals of protecting women's rights. But supporting a former president who just gutted women's rights to abortion and health care seems to be doing the opposite. It feels like a slap in the face tbh.

Sloejelly · 01/06/2024 16:24

Delphinium20 · 01/06/2024 16:17

I think any prominent woman in a country other than the US who publicly supports the now felon, Donald Trump, is not helpful to American women fighting for our rights-many rights UK women take for granted, we can't. I'd like to work with women across the pond who share similar goals of protecting women's rights. But supporting a former president who just gutted women's rights to abortion and health care seems to be doing the opposite. It feels like a slap in the face tbh.

Like Biden signing away women’s rights in America on his first day in office? I missed the action he took in response to the overturn of Roe vs Wade to try and ensure abortion was once again protected. What did he do?

Sloejelly · 01/06/2024 16:28

“I believe that we should be able to provide sex-only services” great Jess, now explain how this will work when you allow men to self ID as legally being women? How do you expect services to keep these men out? How will their data be recorded if they legally count as women? What do you think a GRC does?

Murica · 01/06/2024 16:32

I'm American and I am pig sick of all the hate mongering. Half the country voted for Trump. I don't want to hate half the country. Stoking more hate won't help us untangle this mess we find ourselves in.

Sloejelly · 01/06/2024 16:49

Murica · 01/06/2024 16:32

I'm American and I am pig sick of all the hate mongering. Half the country voted for Trump. I don't want to hate half the country. Stoking more hate won't help us untangle this mess we find ourselves in.

Same happened in the UK over the last election and the Brexit referendum - Tory and leave voters were demonised by Labour or Remain; they were mocked and derided all over social media. This resulted in Tory and Leave voters keeping their heads down but did nothing to win them over so Labour and Remain were shocked when they lost. (Brexit voters cut across the political parties).

Uipott · 01/06/2024 16:55

Sloejelly · 01/06/2024 16:28

“I believe that we should be able to provide sex-only services” great Jess, now explain how this will work when you allow men to self ID as legally being women? How do you expect services to keep these men out? How will their data be recorded if they legally count as women? What do you think a GRC does?

That’s the point she’s making. This debate was about the Sex Matters petition to make it clear that sex in the Equality Act means biological sex, ie that it isn’t overridden by a GRC. This speech is in support of that position. She might have supported self ID in 2016 but doesn’t now. Like a lot of people!

https://sex-matters.org/posts/single-sex-services/westminster-hall-debate-on-our-petition-to-make-the-equality-act-clear/

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2023-06-12/debates/F74BD8CC-4807-46F4-AA51-5402B7CFE8F9/LegislativeDefinitionOfSex

Westminster Hall debate on our petition to make the Equality Act clear - Sex Matters

Monday 12th June 2023 For the full official transcription of the debate, see Hansard. In the Chair, Judith Cummins began by reminding everyone that the petitions being debated indirectly related to two ongoing legal cases in the Scottish courts, but th...

https://sex-matters.org/posts/single-sex-services/westminster-hall-debate-on-our-petition-to-make-the-equality-act-clear/

EasternStandard · 01/06/2024 16:56

Sloejelly · 01/06/2024 16:49

Same happened in the UK over the last election and the Brexit referendum - Tory and leave voters were demonised by Labour or Remain; they were mocked and derided all over social media. This resulted in Tory and Leave voters keeping their heads down but did nothing to win them over so Labour and Remain were shocked when they lost. (Brexit voters cut across the political parties).

If Trump wins this will be part of it. I was reading about the huge influx of donations in the last 24 hours

chilling19 · 01/06/2024 16:59

'KJK is an articulate right winger

I prefer my GC heroes to be articulate left wingers.'

So do I, but the available left wing pool is vanishingly small.

Also, as with pp I agree with her on some things, not on others, like most grown ups.

Delphinium20 · 01/06/2024 17:17

I missed the action he took in response to the overturn of Roe vs Wade to try and ensure abortion was once again protected. What did he do?

We have separation of powers meaning that our executive (Biden) can't override our judicial Supreme Court rulings. We have this check on powers because we don't want another king (you know who I'm talking about here, yes ;)

Delphinium20 · 01/06/2024 17:19

Murica · 01/06/2024 16:32

I'm American and I am pig sick of all the hate mongering. Half the country voted for Trump. I don't want to hate half the country. Stoking more hate won't help us untangle this mess we find ourselves in.

Half the country didn't vote at all. Less than 1/4 of the country voted for Trump. And i never said i hated those voters.

Murica · 01/06/2024 17:24

Okay, half of those who voted.

CassieMaddox · 01/06/2024 18:29

I see America has the same issue of right wing refusing to own their electoral choices and instead blaming those meany lefties who made them do it 😂

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