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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Party of Women

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ChristinaXYZ · 29/05/2024 15:42

KJK is appealing for people to stand as candidates, and to be agents, helpers, canvasers etc. She is also gardening at Give Send Go - Party Of Women Election Campaign. I know she knows PoW won't get anywhere but I hope she makes a few waves, takes a few votes and maybe by doing that disrupts what might have been a smooth election for any complacent ignorers of women's rights.

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Sloejelly · 29/05/2024 23:50

thistimelastweek · 29/05/2024 23:08

You can't pretend transphobia doesn't exist.
You can be GC and recognise transphobia.
You can stand up for women's rights without being a hater.

You can't pretend transphobia doesn't exist
As everything is ‘transphobic’ it is irrelevant

You can stand up for women's rights without being a hater.
You cannot stand up for women’s rights without hating the way they are being destroyed, hating the cheating by men in women’s sports, hating the attempts to make raped women tools to validate men’s desires, hating the medical abuse of young girls, hate the reinforcement of regressive stereotypes and the reduction of womanhood to a man’s feeling, hating the destruction of data that ensures our safety.

NefertitiV · 30/05/2024 02:22

@NoSnowdrop

has your life been in grave danger for saying those things?

Are you referring to the tomato juice incident?

Littlepinkstarsbyradish · 30/05/2024 02:51

This party is ridiculous, they don't publish any manifesto outside of this single issue - there is literally nothing on their website other than these 4 sentences and adverts for merch and donations

Underthinker · 30/05/2024 05:21

Good luck to her. In the unlikely event she fields a candidate in my constituency I'll definitely vote for them.

BezMills · 30/05/2024 06:16

I wish her good fortune in the election, she definitely would get my vote

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 30/05/2024 06:48

adverts for merch like the Labour Shop?

https://shop.labour.org.uk/
Shop here for all the latest campaign materials, commemorative items and special gifts.

🤷🏻

Official online store

Official online store for The Labour Party. Campaign essentials and gift merchandise for the many, not the few.

https://shop.labour.org.uk/

Sloejelly · 30/05/2024 07:18

NefertitiV · 30/05/2024 02:22

@NoSnowdrop

has your life been in grave danger for saying those things?

Are you referring to the tomato juice incident?

Where she had to be evacuated by the police who warned her her life was at risk and they could not keep her safe?

Seriestwo · 30/05/2024 08:58

Activism and politics are not the same thing and I think that is becoming increasingly clear.

BackToLurk · 30/05/2024 09:23

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 30/05/2024 06:48

adverts for merch like the Labour Shop?

https://shop.labour.org.uk/
Shop here for all the latest campaign materials, commemorative items and special gifts.

🤷🏻

I think the Labour Party website has more than 4 lines to outline their policies though.

Sloejelly · 30/05/2024 09:30

Seriestwo · 30/05/2024 08:58

Activism and politics are not the same thing and I think that is becoming increasingly clear.

Of course they are.

Motorina · 30/05/2024 09:36

Littlepinkstarsbyradish · 30/05/2024 02:51

This party is ridiculous, they don't publish any manifesto outside of this single issue - there is literally nothing on their website other than these 4 sentences and adverts for merch and donations

I’m old enough to remember when people said the same about the Green Party. I voted for them anyway, because it was a mark in the sand that the electorate thought environmental issues matter. PoW has only been going a matter of months so it’s unrealistic to expect a broad manifesto. There absolutely is a place for single issue parties, not to form the government (there’s no chance KJK will be PM) but to raise awareness. So that’s all positive. It’s just a shame that KJK has shot herself in the foot rather with her comments on trans people being lazy rent-dodgers.

BezMills · 30/05/2024 09:53

When I saw the state of the GPEW's manifesto, I rather wish they had stopped at 4 lines!

WhatWillSwingIt · 30/05/2024 10:17

I do find it surprising that so many people are using the transactivist lexicon of prescribed language with phrases like ‘trans [space, mind the important space] people’.

There used to be men and women, some of whom were ‘transvestites’ (a word apparently in use since the 1910s).

Then there were women and men, some of whom were ‘transvestites’ or ‘transsexuals’ (a word, apparently coined for its current meaning by Harry Benjamin in 1953).

Then came along the ‘trans umbrella’ which all the men and women who were ‘transvestites’ and ‘transsexuals’ were lumped together under, but with a little linguistic sleight of hand…

It then became men, women, ‘transwomen’ and ‘transmen’ - 2 new types of human being.

Then this was not to the transactivists liking, because it implies the two new types of human being were not ‘real’ or ‘true’ members of the opposite sex.

So the all important [gap] was added to cover a multitude of sins. So we had men and women. Men and women of all different categories, young women/men, disabled women/men, lesbian/gay women/men and of cause, just another subcategory of women/men - ‘trans’ women/men. (One of these is not like the others).

So with the gap came ‘women and men - some of who happen to be ‘trans’.’

Obviously no man is any type of woman, no boy is any type of girl and vice versa, but whenever anyone uses this language, with the gap, ‘trans woman’, ‘trans man’, ‘trans people’, ‘trans kids’, etc, they are implying they agree that men can be women and vice versa.

TheRozzers · 30/05/2024 11:04

Obviously no man is any type of woman, no boy is any type of girl and vice versa, but whenever anyone uses this language, with the gap, ‘trans woman’, ‘trans man’, ‘trans people’, ‘trans kids’, etc, they are implying they agree that men can be women and vice versa.

I don't agree men can be women and vice versa but I do think these beliefs are WORIADS and people who hold these beliefs should not be discriminated against.

Policing language is TRA territory.

WhatWillSwingIt · 30/05/2024 11:15

TheRozzers · 30/05/2024 11:04

Obviously no man is any type of woman, no boy is any type of girl and vice versa, but whenever anyone uses this language, with the gap, ‘trans woman’, ‘trans man’, ‘trans people’, ‘trans kids’, etc, they are implying they agree that men can be women and vice versa.

I don't agree men can be women and vice versa but I do think these beliefs are WORIADS and people who hold these beliefs should not be discriminated against.

Policing language is TRA territory.

Policing language is TRA territory.

Do me a favour. What lazy thinking.

Indicating to people that they are subscribing, perhaps unwittingly, to certain belief systems when they adopt the language which the activists and proselytisers of that belief system have tactically promoted, to further their cause, thus normalising it, spreading it, making it sticky and deeply embedding it into society and people’s minds, is not ‘policing’.

Go ahead, sound like a transactivist or #bekind obedient unthinker if you like, at least you know what you sound like when you do it now.

WhatWillSwingIt · 30/05/2024 12:08

Regarding WORIADS.

Believing that all people have a ‘gender’ essence, which is like a soul and can be ‘trapped in the wrong body’ is WORIADS.

Believing that all people must adopt this belief and use the language of believers, and/or that it is acceptable in the name of this belief to confuse, poison, sterilise and mutilate minors, and/or that all people must accept a loss of freedom, privacy, dignity and safety in order to support this belief, or else deserve punishments, such as the loss of livelihood, is not WORIADS.

Leafstamp · 30/05/2024 13:37

TheRozzers · 30/05/2024 11:04

Obviously no man is any type of woman, no boy is any type of girl and vice versa, but whenever anyone uses this language, with the gap, ‘trans woman’, ‘trans man’, ‘trans people’, ‘trans kids’, etc, they are implying they agree that men can be women and vice versa.

I don't agree men can be women and vice versa but I do think these beliefs are WORIADS and people who hold these beliefs should not be discriminated against.

Policing language is TRA territory.

Do you think the belief that white people can be black is WORIADs? What about believing that able bodied people can be disabled, is that WORIADs?

Identifying into an oppressed class is not worthy of respect IMO, certainly not if you then claim the rights of that class.

ChrisPadley · 30/05/2024 14:32

Kellie Jay Keen announced she will be standing as Party of Women candidate against woman-MP-harassing Labour candidate Lloyd Russell-Moyne in his Brighton Kemptown constiuency. Soon afterwards the Labour party suspended him from the party so that he cannot be a candidate. Allegedly this is because of a complaint made against him over something that he did long ago. But, is this a co-incidence or does Labour fear he would lose too many votes to Kellie and they need a candidate with a better attitude to women? Are they hoping to steal her thunder?

BezMills · 30/05/2024 15:17

Well his Election Agent was on here crowing about their Plan to deal with KJK (I assume it was his election agent... they seemed very sure of theyself).

So if there was a Plan A from Central Office codenamed "Ditch the Ginger with a Bigtime Stitchup"

I guess nobody told his team they were Plan B...

TheRozzers · 30/05/2024 15:49

Do you think the belief that white people can be black is WORIADs? What about believing that able bodied people can be disabled, is that WORIADs?

Believing? Yes WORIADS

Enforcing laws based on these beliefs? No

Sloejelly · 30/05/2024 15:57

TheRozzers · 30/05/2024 15:49

Do you think the belief that white people can be black is WORIADs? What about believing that able bodied people can be disabled, is that WORIADs?

Believing? Yes WORIADS

Enforcing laws based on these beliefs? No

v) It must be worthy of respect in a democratic society, be not incompatible with human dignity and not conflict with the fundamental rights of others

Not conflict with the fundamental rights of others and compatible with human dignity must surely exclude requiring others to lie.

TheRozzers · 30/05/2024 16:09

People should be free to believe in whatever they want (God, Father Christmas, gender woo) and be free to express those beliefs without facing discrimination or harassment.

A woman should be able to refer to herself as a trans man without losing her job or her home. A man should be able to refer to himself as a trans woman without losing his job or his home.

This does NOT mean a trans identified man should have access to women's single sex spaces. That is pushing laws based on beliefs which is a whole different thing.

In KJK's video she actively encourages discrimination against trans people or in her words 'women who have had double mastectomies'.

She called trans people 'lazy' and 'entitled' and 'weird'

These views are not WORIADS, especially not from a politician.

Sloejelly · 30/05/2024 16:13

But they seem very ‘entitled’ when it comes to single sex spaces and MY language.

WhatWillSwingIt · 30/05/2024 16:43

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Leafstamp · 30/05/2024 17:40

TheRozzers · 30/05/2024 15:49

Do you think the belief that white people can be black is WORIADs? What about believing that able bodied people can be disabled, is that WORIADs?

Believing? Yes WORIADS

Enforcing laws based on these beliefs? No

Let me re-phrase...

Do you think the belief that gender identity exists and is of equal (or greater) importance as biological sex passes the Grainger criteria?

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