Emma Corrin and 'homophobia'

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Emma Corrin claims to have experienced homophobia since 'coming out' as non-binary.

Emma Corrin is in a relationship with Rami Malek.

Make it make sense.

I think it's fair enough to take the piss out of someone literally dressed as a goldfish in a bag. And who regularly forgoes trousers.

The piss-taking is totally unrelated to the sex of the person concerned.

A big part of the joy of dramatic dressing is that it isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. A bit of gentle piss taking comes with the territory.

Haircuts, outfits and body modifications aren’t protected characteristics and full personality expression via clothing choice whenever, wherever isn’t a human right. Normie life is full of dress codes and uniform standards.

That doesn’t excuse verbal or physical abuse perpetrated against snazzy dressers (and believe me, I’ve had a lot of it over the years) but it’s not comparable to homophobia/racism/disability discrimination etc.

I’ve got tattoos that can’t be covered by clothes, I knew that doing so would narrow my career options and put some people off getting to know me, including people who could make my life difficult, eg landlords.

Making that choice puts it in a completely different category to someone who isn’t hired for a job or is refused a property let because they have a same sex partner.

Watched some of the fashion show. The clothes are okay, but what strikes me is how some frighteningly underweight several models are. The world just chews women up and spits them out, doesn't it.

And I admire your intent to dress like a lunatic, Mme Cholet. I achieve this by accident not design.

Sort of yes. I wouldn't say she's butch, but she often chooses to present in a way that might make some homophobes assume she's a lesbian. Mens suits, buzz cuts etc. That's why I would not be surprised if she's had some homophobic abuse.

I was thinking more of this sort of look tbh
https://images.app.goo.gl/NTimDowHhmuu573F7

https://images.app.goo.gl/2Z4TUKcYrLy5uvP59

https://images.app.goo.gl/AQXKxtSwAGNX9RJd9

She does seem to switch it up though.

People are reading way too much into what I said, I'll try again though. I'm not surprised a homophobe would think she was a lesbian and respond homophobically if they saw her dressed in this kind of style.

Maybe I have too much of a jaundiced view of society and lesbophobia is a thing of the past.

Famous NB 'lesbian' trailblazing model Twiggy in the 60s

I guess that's my point. If the reason for the piss taking isn't related to the daftness of sexism it's maybe a bit off topic for a feminism board. Fully on board with taking the piss out of silly fashion on S&B or AIBU, just sits a bit weirdly amongst the usually very thougtful feminist critques and indeed the usually very thoughtful feminist piss taking!

After all, it's not like gender roles and the people who venerate them don't provide more than enough material for the taking of the piss!

Every generation thinks they invented everything, although now we have added "we interests and now everyone oppressed us". I can't remember if it was EC or another actress who claimed she couldn't get work because she was a woman with short hair (short, not shaved) seemingly unaware that Judi Dench has had some variation of a pixie cut for most of her career.

😥it does - and it screws up young women's world view so much that even the things they think are escaping/defying it are often just breaking through into another layer of the trap.

Yep. Here's your liberation, girls. Enjoy the freedom to sacrifice your body and wellbeing to the male gaze.

And I say this as someone who was thoroughly suckered in by much of it as a younger woman, btw, I'm not criticising anyone.

I think you'd struggle to find a Mumsnet thread with over 50 comments which HASN'T gone off-topic, to be honest!

Can somebody explain to me when gamine and butch became the same word?

EC is gamine. She is about as butch as Little Bo Peep.

Thank you! I was trying to remember the word I'd use to describe EC's presentation and it is 'gamine'. She's more Bambi than butch.

I believe them. Emma Corrin is potentially 'a man', Rami Malek is 'a man'. It's very easy to see where homophobic abuse can occur.

How on earth can anyone say Corrin is potentially a man? Corrin is a female who identifies as nonbinary gender. Not a man biologically nor by identity.

Emma Corrin isn't remotely butch

I think it's fair to assume that they would be faced with 'queerphobic' abuse then.

Emma Corrin, who played the young Princess Diana on The Crown, doesn’t look anything like a man.

Surely you aren’t so daft as to think short hair = a bloke?

Can you help me out with your definition of queerphobic please?
Heterosexual couple so nowt to do with same sex attraction?

I have short hair, am I a bloke now, according to the gender borg "right side of history" types? Good oh. I must tell my husband.

Someone who it clearly, perceptibly and blatantly female, who doesn't buy into traditional stereotypes about what being female is, is a woman.
This is a description of most of the women posting here.

I believe that the PP you responded to may believe, either that it is possible for a human to disguise their sex completely, or, that traditional stereotypes about what being female is include things like ovaries and X chromosomes, or both. There's some terrifyingly weird 'thinking' going on out there.

I don't think you can be clearly, perceptibly and blatantly female without buying into traditional stereotypes about what being female is.

Seriously?
(And that sentence seems to me to come from a 'second sex', mindset. 'Blatantly female' ffs. )

Maybe, Errol, pp means 'expecting a woman to have a female physique and facial features = buying onto gender norms'
Idk. This insanity has gone beyond me.