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Reports Roz Adams successful in her action against Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre

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LargeSquareRock · 19/05/2024 23:09

https://x.com/journalismseen/status/1792305714595012730?s=46&t=f8U9xaap9RM6pcBCdpsFIA

Excellent news and looking forward to seeing the judgement.

x.com

https://x.com/journalismseen/status/1792305714595012730?s=46&t=f8U9xaap9RM6pcBCdpsFIA

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Sloejelly · 21/05/2024 19:58

IwantToRetire · 21/05/2024 19:45

Women set up women only spaces —> Men take over women only spaces —> Women set up women only spaces —> Men take over women only spaces —> Women set up women only spaces —> Men take over women only spaces —>

So your message is that men will take over, so dont let's bother.

So you think For Women Scot, Sex Matters, etc., should just not bother because sooner or later men will take them over.

????????????????????

So you are saying women only spaces are being set up? Even though you complain that they aren’t?

Where do you think these women only spaces would get funding from in Scotland? It is not the dearth of GC women that is the issue in many, it is the SNP/Green fingers on the purse strings. And in this case links with a certain MW…

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/womens-aid-boss-blasts-north-23636443

Women's Aid boss blasts council over "pulled funding" of organisation

At a meeting of the council’s education and families committee it was revealed that community justice organisation SACRO had been awarded the contract ahead of the local organisations.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/womens-aid-boss-blasts-north-23636443

Boiledbeetle · 21/05/2024 21:07

https://twitter.com/hightreebud/status/1389695421425995784?s=19

It's a few years old but click and watch the clip.

(Man. Man man man man. He's a man!!)

Signalbox · 21/05/2024 21:11

IwantToRetire · 21/05/2024 19:49

What this thread shows is that because GC women didn't stay involved a lone woman sticking to those principles was then left unsupported and harrassed.

If GC women had stayed involved they wouldn't have illegally advertised a post as women only, not would they have stacked the MC with TRAs.

And by the way as there are women only services that have survived I would like to say they owed respect and courage for continuing to hold the line for women, at a time when TRAs are being lionised by society.

It’s always women’s fault one way or another.

INeedAPensieve · 21/05/2024 21:36

Sloejelly · 20/05/2024 09:52

'The version of gender identity theory embraced by ERCC (described by the Tribunal as “dogmatic”, “extreme”, and “hardline”)

This is a mistake by the tribunal - the version of GI theory embraced by ERCC is what GI theory is. It is what LBGT Youth are teaching in Scottish schools, what the various charter marks require adherence to, what the Scottish Greens expelled members for failing to follow, what the TRA protestors threaten women with violence and try to drown out their rallies over. There was nothing particularly extreme about the version displayed by ERCC versus that being pushed across society.

Agreed. I am so worried about LGBT YS and what they are pushing at schools. Especially with my DS starting this year at an autism base.

INeedAPensieve · 21/05/2024 21:39

Well done to Roz Adams and her team, Naomi was amazing. I got my DH to read the critic article and he was astounded that she was bullied for what she said in the email, he could find nothing wrong with it. He still reads Reddit and BBC and Guardian so although agrees with me hasn't been as aghast as me since discovering it all and views some of my rants as over the top. He wouldn't say that to me though I can just see it in his eyes when I talk about it.

Anyway maybe this and the prison stuff I've been telling him about (and the school stuff up here in Scotland) will mean he really finally gets it. Due to reading Reddit he still says a lot of what I'm raising as issues are dog whistles because that's what the people on Reddit say, it drives me nuts.

WaterThyme · 21/05/2024 23:29

TinDogTavern - would you be able to post your twitter/x threads on the ERCC governance timeline? I would be interested to read them but I don’t have a twix account. I looked briefly a while back at ERCC’s Companies House filings and was horrified to see that what had started as a member run organisation had gradually ditched the membership element so it was entirely run by a board.

Or if you can point to where it can be read, I would be grateful.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/05/2024 00:28

Everybody keeps making statements about SSE that are as they think they should be.

No, I wasn't actually doing that, but thanks for your thoughts @IwantToRetire 🤷‍♀️

I was pointing out that only men with GRCs are legally considered "women" under the EA2010 because you suggested that men without GRCs are, which is plain wrong. As both the pp I was quoting, and I said. If I had to guess I'd say you got the EA and GRA mixed up in that comment.

Your quote:

("according to how the EA is drafted where "for all purposes" TW are "legal women")."

The EA doesn't say anything like that. The GRA does.

It's not any sort of news to me that the law is poorly understood/adhered to by service providers of women only spaces. I've known that for years, it's been discussed here for years. The grey area that permits that to happen is that very few spaces have to be single sex by law and there doesn't seem to be any requirement to clearly sign spaces as mixed sex.

Username65 · 22/05/2024 05:30

lcakethereforeIam · 21/05/2024 23:09

I think this is new that hasn't been posted yet. A leading artcle from The Times and not holding back

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-times-view-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-tribunal-verdict-29vvsffjr

https://archive.ph/hi3vN while ERCC are reflecting (hard to find a mirror that doesn't immediately crack) this'll see you through the paywall

Thanks for posting. It’s unequivocal - “only one side wishes to curtail the legal speech rights enjoyed by the other side”. Shame it’s in the Scotland section - the conclusions are relevant across the UK.

Username65 · 22/05/2024 07:33

https://www.holyrood.com/comment/view,how-a-service-set-up-for-traumatised-women-forgot-its-core-function

I’m sure this has been posted before, but worth reading again in light of the judgement. Sandy Brindley of Rape Crisis Scotland has said there will be an investigation into ERCC. It should be extended to her own organisation, and she needs to go.

How a service set up for traumatised women forgot its core function

Evidence from the employment tribunal involving Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre stirred some distressing memories. A servic...

https://www.holyrood.com/comment/view,how-a-service-set-up-for-traumatised-women-forgot-its-core-function

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 22/05/2024 08:10

Not surprising the comments on ERCC's Instagram post have been turned off. Katie Horsburgh has given it a like though.

Ginnyweasleyswand · 22/05/2024 09:52

INeedAPensieve · 21/05/2024 21:39

Well done to Roz Adams and her team, Naomi was amazing. I got my DH to read the critic article and he was astounded that she was bullied for what she said in the email, he could find nothing wrong with it. He still reads Reddit and BBC and Guardian so although agrees with me hasn't been as aghast as me since discovering it all and views some of my rants as over the top. He wouldn't say that to me though I can just see it in his eyes when I talk about it.

Anyway maybe this and the prison stuff I've been telling him about (and the school stuff up here in Scotland) will mean he really finally gets it. Due to reading Reddit he still says a lot of what I'm raising as issues are dog whistles because that's what the people on Reddit say, it drives me nuts.

I think this is a really important post. My DH has very much been head in sand about this. It's actually caused a fair few arguments because he's dismissing me as 'over the top' about things that - when there's sunlight - it's entirely rational to be concerned about and which will directly impact on my life and that of our daughters. The bias of the mainstream media has caused many people to be equally ill informed and makes the media, especially the BBC, complicit in the harms.

This case exposes a total abandonment of safeguarding at a rape crisis centre and the monstering and coercive control of an employee. RA was told she was 'bigoted' for trying to help. She was told her natural perceptions were wrong. This is abuse.

The courts really need to start having much bigger payouts to those abused as RA was (for doing an excellent job in an almost impossible environment).

We've seen with the blood scandal that if there is not a course correction now, it's likely in the future there will be millions in payouts for all the those physically harmed as children. And in the blood scandal they were at least trying to address existing physical health problems. There is no such excuse for gender ideology.

What would be better would be to have some accountability now for people who fell for the Emperor's new clothes and pushed something that didn't make sense at the expense of safeguarding the most vulnerable - letting them down and harming them. These people need to lose their jobs, or the same thing will keep happening.

lcakethereforeIam · 22/05/2024 09:57

Another development

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/heresy-hunt-review-funding-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-qclwkntxt

https://archive.ph/n00K7 go to the otherside of the paywall, except you MW, you can just go

I remember hearing about the Guilty Feminist podcast and one of them gushing about MW on twitter, with some tosh about him being a woman because she was adopted!?

As bad as this has been for Roz, we'll never know the number of women who have been doubly victimised by the perverse behaviour at ERCC either by self excluding or being made to 'reframe their trauma'. Mr Idul has to go.

‘Heresy hunt’ leads to review of funding for Edinburgh Rape Crisis

Ash Regan, the Alba Party MSP, said it was ‘unconscionable’ for the centre’s chief executive, Mridul Wadhwa, to stay in post after a damning tribunal ruling

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/heresy-hunt-review-funding-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-qclwkntxt

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/05/2024 09:59

I remember hearing about the Guilty Feminist podcast and one of them gushing about MW on twitter, with some tosh about him being a woman because she was adopted!?

The interview they did with MW was atrocious.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/05/2024 09:59

Apologies meant to quote you.

nothingcomestonothing · 22/05/2024 10:30

Just as much as TRAs colonised women's spaces for ideological purposes, we have to acccept that all those saying they are GC couldn't be bothered to continue to ensure these services survived.

That's victim blaming. Women set up these services from nothing and have been bullied out by entryists and denied funding by captured government and charitable funders. It's not about 'GC women couldn't be bothered', look what has happened to women who tried to fight against the tide of gender ideology supremacy.

What do you think GC women should have been doing and weren't, to keep the services women only? Women have tried and are trying, but we are fighting a privileged powerful group who don't mind using threats and who are backed by captured institutions. What should they do, when the funders they rely on will only fund services which are 'inclusive' (to males)? When TRAs nail dead rats to their doors? Victim blaming.

SinnerBoy · 22/05/2024 10:50

Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 14:17

Sorry if I've missed discussion of this upthread but it appears to me under the current setup ERCC cannot safeguard their clients. Safeguarding should be at the centre of what ERCC does. Where's the penalty for serious safeguarding breaches?

Thanks for that excellent post, I hadn't considered it from that viewpoint.

TinDogTavern · 22/05/2024 11:07

WaterThyme · 21/05/2024 23:29

TinDogTavern - would you be able to post your twitter/x threads on the ERCC governance timeline? I would be interested to read them but I don’t have a twix account. I looked briefly a while back at ERCC’s Companies House filings and was horrified to see that what had started as a member run organisation had gradually ditched the membership element so it was entirely run by a board.

Or if you can point to where it can be read, I would be grateful.

Happy to post wherever - where's the thread you'd like me to post on?

WaterThyme · 22/05/2024 11:09

TinDogTavern, here’s good for me. Thank you

SinnerBoy · 22/05/2024 11:18

TinDogTavern

I've posted the excerpt from Ginny's post onto your Twitter feed.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 22/05/2024 11:50

This may be the thread mentioned above:

https://x.com/GuiltFemPod/status/1424390565517537287

Can't see a link to the actual interview.

Here's a 2019 interview with MW:

https://archive.ph/x5Qv5

I find this paragraph a bit odd...

'Most importantly, rape crisis centres are spaces for those affected by sexual violence, most of whom are women. The Student asked Wadhwa if she believes a man could be a successful rape crisis centre manager. She does not: “I don’t think men are ready to go out and set up services of this nature. Women’s aid organisations and rape crisis centres have been set up with the blood, sweat, and tears of women. It’s about the women’s experience of sexual violence. Our workforce is reserved for women only.”'

... because when I worked in an English RCC some 20 years before this interview, we had the number of an all-male rape crisis service to hand in case any men contacted our all-female service.

MrsWhattery · 22/05/2024 13:09

Our workforce is reserved for women only

Then how was the NB person allowed to be there? Either you swallow the ideology in full meaning MW is a woman and NB person isn't a woman any more, or you go with reality meaning MW isn't a woman and NB person is.

Sloejelly · 22/05/2024 13:16

MrsWhattery · 22/05/2024 13:09

Our workforce is reserved for women only

Then how was the NB person allowed to be there? Either you swallow the ideology in full meaning MW is a woman and NB person isn't a woman any more, or you go with reality meaning MW isn't a woman and NB person is.

Stop with your infernal logic!

Snowypeaks · 22/05/2024 13:17

MrsWhattery

I was going to hazard this explanation: that both MW and AB are "non-men". However, they do specifically say "women-only". So I'm stumped. Unless it's the usual "we will say and do whatever we like and words will mean whatever we choose them to mean" thing.

MrsWhattery · 22/05/2024 13:21

But MW didn't say "non-men". MW said only women can work there, thereby calling NB staff member a woman! Call the bigot police at once.