Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

[TeacherAnonymous123]

Just as the title says really! Is that your only thought about who you'll vote for, or will you look at wider policies? Been getting lots of information through my letter box recently, and none mention it.

If you believe in the Tories and what they have done and care that much about their GC agenda, then vote for them.If you care about public services at all, then vote for Labour

Or vote for the most GC party - and then, when the message is sent loud and clear that you don’t ignore and denigrate women, we can get on with the other things. If we vote your way round, we risk being shafted.

How many times do I have to tell you I've been spoiling my ballot at a national level for some time?

I'm an ex Labour party member in a rabidly Labour city. My local council was so corrupt and inept the government had to step in and oversee its functions for the last three years. I don't need lectures on politics, nor on how to look at the bigger picture ( I am!)

In the bigger picture - there is not going to be the revolutionary change that many are hoping for. Nationalising the railways might work out well, though...i hope so...but even then Labour have said train fares will not be cheaper.

Lifetime Labour voter here preparing to vote Tory (feels so strange!) because I can't risk Labour facilitating this ideology to make further inroads into women's and girls rights.

Perhaps check your facts. Starmer went to Grammar school which became a private school when he attended and all grammar students continued with free education. His kids went to the local state primary - which happens to be a good school.

The education his wife had has no bearing whatsoever on him and his policies.
If you are going to make bold statements please get them right

No party has mentioned this issue to me on the doorstep or in flyers.

The conservatives have not seen fit to address this issue - so no they certainly don’t get a free pass. Plus the last time I checked the transport, hospitals, doctors and schools, environment etc have all gone to shit since they’ve been in power. Oh and the corruption, rampant abuse of power and resources, and Brexit ffs!

That leaves Labour and the LibDems… neither party look after women and children right now.

I’m genuinely not sure what I’ll do.

No.

I am a woman, a single mum and a carer. The tories have done nothing for me as a woman. The mess we are in now is because of them and it gets worse day by day.

Whilst the trans issue is an issue - the issue of women trying to survive day to day is much more important to me.

I just wish those saying they are voting on one issue would wake up and realise the position we are in right now is down to the Tory party. They will say absolutely anything to get your vote and won't act on a single promise.

No. That would be a ridiculous thing to do. So many other issues are important. Health care. Schools. Welfare etc

Yes. I've always voted Labour in the past and I'm now thinking, "Did I ever really know what you were?" I live in a Red Wall constituency which elected a Tory MP for the first time at the last general election. I was horrified at the time and inclined to dislike him, but he seems to be a committed local MP and he is a strongly gender critical voice within the party so unless we get a convincing independent candidate with a proven track record I'll be voting for him.

OK so why was he at a competition between GDST schools last night? Watching his daughter compete? I know my facts thank you. The fact remains he is happy to reap the benefits for him and his family but want to deprive others of the same by making private education even more expensive.

No.

After 14 years of this corrupt shower, I have other priorities.

Yes.

Because despite what the scolders on this thread would hector us into thinking, I recognise that the Tories are at least doing something about the women's rights shitshow, as opposed to Labour. And I do trust the current Tories more on the economy. You only have to look at Wales to see what a binfire Labour can be.

Women's rights is what I care about at this election and it's the defining factor for my choice. So those who are bleating on about "Think about the greater good" can fuck off.

And the Tories have helped women and children over the past 14 years how exactly?

I'm a single mum with two disabled children. My oldest has already had his PIP withdrawn. I have never and will never vote Tory because I actually like my family.

I'm afraid not. There are only two candidates in my area Tory or Lib Dems - the others never get in. So we'll either get a Tory or Lib Dem MP that's how it's always been here.
I'm voting Lib Dem which I never have in my life before because our tory MPs in this area have been so awful and done nothing for any of us.
The last one was off sick for a year and spent the rest of his time snorting cocaine and having affairs which he blamed on his mental health of course and the one in the next constituency along was sacked for watching graphic porn publicly in parliament.

It’s amazing that so many people are thinking the Tories are amazing for doing a last minute “we’ll fix it” u-turn on the shit show they have presided over and allowed to happen, as well as ignoring all the other ways in which they show their complete disregard for women and girls.

Shows how shit our politicians are when the deciding factor for so many is “they’ve promised to u-turn first”

Decent politicians of the past, of all parties, must be spinning in their graves at what we have now

If you think nationalising the railways might work out well, then vote for it.

Sorry but I simply do not have any respect for people who weigh in on political topics but then spoil their vote.

Yes things are shit and no one is denying that, and I don't hear anyone saying that they think any party is perfect.

But if you don't vote or spoil your ballot, then you passed on your right to an opinion.

Brexit happened partly because everyone thought that other people wouldn't vote for it so felt emboldened to spoil their vote/ not vote/ vote for Brexit when they didn't mean it.

If you think the railways should be nationalised then don't assume others will vote for it. Vote for it yourself.

No. I will never vote in any election based on a single issue. And I will never vote Tory again. The bastards in blue have had a long enough run at destroying the country. Time for a change.

Actually it does really matter because he is saying that it is OK for people like his family to be privately educated but not other people, unless they are ultra wealthy. The Labour Party have double the amount of MPs who were privately educated than the national %.

Your're new to this forum, aren't you? I'll not be voting for Labour for the reasons that many of us here won't be.

Your respect means nothing to me. Not a jot. For the reason you have a monumental comprehension fail as to the scale and import of the issue to which this forum is dedicated.

A spoiled ballot is an opinion - it is not a failure to vote. You vote for who you like - and I'll do what feels right to me.

Of course you will.

Just don't complain about how things go with the NHS, schools and public services in the coming years if you didn't express a preference for them to be saved.

Have you any awareness at all of how lots of Labour women have been treated by the Labour party these last seven years?

I take a longer range view of the state of affairs. I've taken to observing patterns.

Did I mention I was a teacher and that my daughter still is?

Spoiling your ballot is not the same as not voting. It's saying "none of the above". It's no less legitimate than voting for a party which has no choice of winning in your constituency.

I wouldn't be considering spoiling my ballot if there were a party to vote for which doesn't appear to hate women.

That's unacceptable.

Labour should be a party which supports women's rights.

The Lib Dems should be a party which supports women's rights.

Why aren't they?

@RebelliousCow I refer you back to my post about the Tories track record with women's rights on page 5 of this thread.

The choice is between Labour and the Tories, as it ever was.

If both parties are shit on women's rights, at least Labour stand a chance of bringing back the NHS from the brink of destruction.