Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

[TeacherAnonymous123]

Just as the title says really! Is that your only thought about who you'll vote for, or will you look at wider policies? Been getting lots of information through my letter box recently, and none mention it.

These headlines are from a year ago, but I suppose there will always be Tory voters desperately searching for a reason to vote for that shower.

And then in March 2024 he changed his mind again, or perhaps he thought 0.1% of females have a penis when he said adult human female:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26845883/keir-starmer-transgender-women-define-is/

@AstonsDataThief

Can you point to where he rolled back.

He did not.

The article referred to something the previous year, which Starmer has since clarified his stance on repeatedly.

Here's what he actually said in the article, and not noted Tory Sun hacks spin on it.

Making an appearance on The Sun's new Never Mind the Ballots politics show, Sir Keir replied: "The whole issue here has to be treated with respect, respect and dignity. And the Labour Partyy_ has fought for women's rights all its life and will continue to do so."

Pressed on his U-turn on gender reform, the Labour leader pointed to what happened in Scotlandd_, before adding: "In the real world outside of politics when circumstances change, people adapt their position."
Asked again about his position on trans women and whether they can be defined as women, Sir Keir said: "We set out our position very clearly..."
He added: "Everybody knows there is a difference between sex and gender. I absolutely understand that and respect that. We will not be going down the road of self identification."

If you can find him rolling back in the article you yourself quoted, I'm all ears.

Why did you stop your quote there? Is it because the next bit undermines your argument?

”He went on:"As you well know the overwhelming majority of women, it's a biological issue...

"There's a small number of people in this country who are born into a gender they don't identify with and they often go through pretty hellish abuse.

"I think most people would say if we can find a way to be respectful to all the women we must properly respect and we have defended their rights and advanced their rights as a party, as a movement for many, many years and we will continue to do so, then fine.”

Presumably he still considered that there is a small minority of non-biological women who have a penis?

And let us not forget that Labour in Scotland whipped their MSPs to vote for the Gender Recognition Reform Bill

"Presumably" is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

Where he said "There's a small number of people in this country who are born into a gender they don't identify with and they often go through pretty hellish abuse.

There is nothing wrong with this statement. Who you feel about your identity doesn't make you female.

Which Starmer criticised.

"Later that day Starmer explained that the fierce row over gender recognition changes in Scotland had caused him to reflect. He criticised the “cavalier” approach of the Scottish government to introducing a system of self-identification for those who wish to change their legal sex, which was ultimately supported by a majority of MSPs from all five Holyrood parties."

amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/03/keir-starmer-policy-split-scottish-labour-gender-recognition

This is all getting a bit desperate.

Presumably he still considered that there is a small minority of non-biological women who have a penis?

There's no such thing as a 'non-biological' woman though.

Hellish abuse? WTF
Wanna try being a real woman Ted and see what it’s actually like to have real abuse targeted at you because of your sex? Or your breasts etc.

@Polishedshoesalways

I assure you I am 100% a 59 year old menopausal woman, who has run the gauntlet of harassment and assault my entire life.

So why not acknowledge that? And the lack of safety around real women and the dismantling of their legal rights is a fucking disgrace that we will not allow to happen.

Just seen local turnout for the council elections.

In 2021 turnout was 36%.
This year its 29%.

Thats woeful and speaks volumes about EVERY party.

@Polishedshoesalways

I agree with you, and folks like Sharron Davies. Absolutely.

And I'm voting Labour, which (for the umpteenth time) is not at odds with my beliefs.

One can have sympathy for a small number of trans folks, and still hold this position.

Well said 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

No, but it will certainly feature in my choices

Where he said "There's a small number of people in this country who are born into a gender they don't identify with and they often go through pretty hellish abuse. There is nothing wrong with this statement. Who you feel about your identity doesn't make you female.

There is plenty wrong with that statement. It doesn't make sense, for a start. No one is born into a gender — gender is a social construct. The fact that these words passed his lips indicates that he has no idea that sex and gender are two entirely different things. If you genuinely think there's nothing wrong with those words then I'm guessing you don't understand either.

It also seems to be predicated on the idea that everyone has a gender, or gender feelings, that they identify (or not) with. We don't. I don't, most of FWR and all the women I know don't 'feel' themselves to be female. They just are female, and they understand that just because they have XX chromosomes which dictate a female body doesn't mean they have to be nurses or mothers or caring or 'nice' or like wearing high heels and make-up or want to have sex with men.

Maybe you missed this bit

He added: "Everybody knows there is a difference between sex and gender. I absolutely understand that and respect that. We will not be going down the road of self identification."

And yet the Labour women were refused a stand at the conference yet again, and Rosie Duffield and the rest of the woman who won’t accept that men can be women have not received an apology. There have been no consequences to the people who threatened them and Starmer hasn’t even spoken to Rosie Duffield since, it’s all hot air and gaslighting.

I don’t know a single person that voted, our polling station was empty all day.

No. The two do not sit hand in hand at all.

You can’t say you sympathise with the trans position and put convicted rapists in female prisons. It is not conducive with keeping women safe at all!
To strip us of our identity so the law can’t even recognise or protect us is not in line with your beliefs? But you are doing nothing to support our safety.

And you will vote for a party wholeheartedly on board with doing this to women. Well done you 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Polishedshoesalways

Where has Starmer said any of those things.

This is just scaremongering nonsense.

And yes I can have empathy for folks.

Do not put words in my mouth that this somehow means I would support putting rapists in a female prison.

You are making huge assumptions based on nothing.

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This! And they all voted for the Hate Crimes act, which we all know was intended to act like a scolds bridle to shut GC women up. Thank goodness JK Rowling scuppered that one.