Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

[TeacherAnonymous123]

Just as the title says really! Is that your only thought about who you'll vote for, or will you look at wider policies? Been getting lots of information through my letter box recently, and none mention it.

Exactly this, I want a non-Tory government that is going to get on with the task of sorting things out, not one that is in thrall to gender identity politics. I wish this was a niche problem but it isn’t.

This with fucking bells on.

It is precisely because i want a socialist government (actually socialist, not in thrall to whichever well connected boys club is currently lobbying them behind doors closed to commoners like me) long term that I would ever consider a ballot spoil.

Gender is the current luxury cause and bad enough but lots of other worrying lobbyists are similarly well connected and powerful and prone to influencing government behind our backs.

This, with bells on ⬆️⬆️⬆️

Following evidence-based medical care is surely the cornerstone for how the NHS should operate. It informs where funds are spent and whether it's an effective use of public money.

Voting to throw the evidence out in a Billy Bragg-esque manoeuvre (I'm assuming the Welsh government decided it was more important to be on the same side of the table as the lobby groups who told them why evidence-based care didn't matter and/or their donation providers) says far more about the Welsh Labour government's ability to govern than it does about "just" the "transgender issue".

Does UK Labour show any signs that it differs from Welsh Labour on this?Starmer would like single sex wards but perhaps including "women" with penises. It's difficult to know, because apparently it's all very complicated.
Should I trust him to sort out the NHS?
Wes Streeting wants to support the Cass Report recommendations... great!.... so that everyone including "trans children" gets access to good care.... Eh? Does he understand the recommendations at all? Should I trust him to lead a health service that dovetails effectively with schools when this will do nothing to address the pipeline of "exceptional cases" of "transgender children"? How much public money will Wes Streeting waste because he can't see this issue?

As per the comment above, how will Labour improve the NHS?

What's wrong is that the the Cass review came up with the wrong answer. So Cass is wrong. The evidence is wrong. Medicine is wrong. Child development is wrong.

The sun goes round the earth. The Bible says so. God it made it that way.

I know this. Not the same, but it was not a regional or constituency vote, a point one saw slowly dawning on the faces of the BBC referendum night team as they realised that the votes for Brexit in a Remain constituency counted. The UK voted, not its constituent parts, and the Leave votes in NI and Scotland, where overall people voted Remain (I have feeling this had something to do with Scottish independence btw), carried the majority Welsh and English Leave votes over the 50%+1 requirement.
(Leave also won on a constituency basis.)

Eppur si muove. Unluckily for Welsh Labour.

Yes! This!

I would like a government who will build laws around this please. In education, healthcare and all public life. I would also like to make sure that private companies do it too and anyone who opposes it, even by speaking out against it, faces the full force of the law.

Praise be.

🙃

Ps Thankfully Christianity does not advocate for the legislation of enforced belief.

Yes, probably. So it's a choice between LibDem or Green.

Fair enough. Can their candidates articulate how transwomen can be supported in law without impacting on the rights of others more effectively than Nicola Sturgeon did?

It doesn't look like this was any sort of factor in yesterday's votes.

No, that would be crazy.

Sure, though I disagree about the effect Scottish Independence had on the NI vote.

My objection to your previous post was that, unless one had facts and figures to hand, it could easily be understood to mean a majority in NI supported Leave - which of course they did not.

You must admit contradicting a pp to state
NI did not vote to Remain. Some voters in that part of the UK voted to remain...
could cause some confusion!

The fact is a majority of people in NI (and Scotland) wished to stay in the EU and that was the point pp was making.

That somehow many people were convinced that the proper "leftist" policy is all of the things that leftist parties of yesteryear previously rejected as bad for the working classes - movement of labour, for example - has been an insane coup for global capitalism.

It can only work because the LP and other left parties are now dominated by middle and upper middle class professionals. And being able to move around for work and leisure is good for them.

It really doesn't.

No. There are more important things to think of.

They have been sucked so far into the gender nonsense rabbit hole that I doubt they will ever find their way out, I don’t know how they are getting away with this to be honest. I hate what Scotland is turning into, but I have the consolation that at least it’s not Wales.

I could not vote for anyone who does not know who a woman is. There would be no reason for me to trust them on anything.

That would include a Penny Mordaunt led Tory party.

Sorry, I was eliding. Scottish independence had nothing to do with NI. I was thinking that there was a link between those who voted for Scottish independence in that they were moved by the threat that it meant leaving the EU, and when it came to the EU referendum Scottish independence voter went for Leave because they wanted neither the UK nor the EU (or maybe wanted the UK but not the EU, that's one that cannot easily be computed), whilst those wishing to stay in the Union in 2014 voted Remain because the wanted both the UK and the EU. Sloppy of me!
I almost stand by 'NI did not vote to remain, some voters in NI voted to remain'. It is a neutral statment. Some voters voted Remain, fewer voted Leave, but neither is implied by what I wrote, but I could have been clearer.

AhNowTed · Today 04:59
@MuddlingMackem

Misogyny in the Labour Party? What do you mean.

Of Labour MPs, 51% are women. More than half.

Tory MPs, 26% are women.

Zonder · Today 07:06
Thanks for that @MuddlingMackem I hope this gets seen by the people suggesting the three female PMs are proving how pro women Tories are.

In response to both of these posters, yes, Labour's misogyny is shocking. So they have a majority of women MPs - but did those women get there on merit, or virtue signalling women-only short lists in safe Labour seats? My local MP is a woman, in a phenomenally safe Labour seat. I don't rate her at all. Plus, the attacks on Rosie Duffield by her own party, and as a later poster pointed out she received so many viable threats she wasn't able to attend her own party's conference. They, as a party, appear to have no respect for women.

The Tories, not a feminist party by any means, but at least they acknowledge what a women is which means that we as a sex class are able to campaign for women. That just wouldn't be possible under Labour's approach to gender-woo.

@Grammarnut
Okay, thanks.

Ah yes, the Tories, that bastion of policy-making supporting women for 14 years.... oh no wait

What Is a ‘woman’? Labour don’t know, do you?

@AstonsDataThief

An adult female with a cervix.

July 2023.

A woman is “an adult female”, Sir Keir Starmer has said, as he confirms the Labour Party's hardened stance on gender. The Labour leader said he did not believe the policy of self-identification was “the right way forward”, and that he believed that “the principle of safe spaces is very important for women”.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/26/keir-starmer-woman-is-adult-female-labour-hardens-stance/#:~:text=A%20woman%20is%20%E2%80%9Can%20adult,is%20very%20important%20for%20women%E2%80%9D.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-labour-woman-anneliese-dodds-b2382675.html

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keir-starmer-woman-adult-female-trans-gender-identity-policy-labour-2023-bj6mdx8zf

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?q=www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-labour-woman-anneliese-dodds-b2382675.html&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwjdpNDT2_OFAxWzS0EAHf9LA7AQFnoECBUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1nvRdSU0RaHBt19Nx3ZZ96" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Keir Starmer says 'a woman is an adult female' on self-identification system