Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

[TeacherAnonymous123]

Just as the title says really! Is that your only thought about who you'll vote for, or will you look at wider policies? Been getting lots of information through my letter box recently, and none mention it.

This might well come back to bite you! How embarrassing to say you are better informed than literally everyone else! 😂
Does it make you uncomfortable to see France choose in a similar way to Italy?

We have a house in France and everyone in our village is planning to vote for her - even the ones that can’t stand her, the consider macron to be a technocratic leader and not one that actually represents their interests in any way. It’s in the south, so mostly macron territory if you like.

They have had three female PMs. How many leaders have been female under Labour?

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The UK government didn’t have the power to decide that any more than an independent Scotland could decide what trade barriers or border the rUK could impose. The outcome of Brexit was the result of negotiations between the UK and an intransigent EU determined not to encourage others to leave.

Yes, at least that plus Scottish independence.

Women's rights and unionism are 2 red lines for me.

No, the potential outcomes of Brexit were known from the outset by anyone with even a smidgen of understanding about how the EU works.

It's a rules based organisation.

Rule 1 of this rules based organisation is that in order to be part of the single market and customs union you have to accept free movement of goods, services, people and capital. These four freedoms are indivisible, you can't have some without the others.

Rule 2 is that there needs to be a border between any country which is inside and any country which is outside.

Everything else is window dressing.

If you understood these two rules it was obvious from the outset what potential outcomes would be possible.

It's not so much that the EU wanted to discourage others from leaving. It's the fact that their entire structure would collapse if they allowed even one country to be an exception to the rules in this way. There's literally no good reason why they would do that.

Oh, you are one of those Brexit bores still banging on years later <yawn>

I've lived in France for almost a decade and will be voting in the next election.

The village where you have a holiday home is not what will determine the outcome of the election. (And many French people are very much grandes gueules when talking about who they are going to vote for; what they actually do in the privacy of the voting booth is a completely different story.)

No, I've moved on. I'm just pointing out that it is total nonsense to say that the UK electorate couldn't have been consulted on roughly how hard they wanted to be Brexited.

It was never all up for negotiation.

There was the hard version (with the tricky Irish border issue to sort out) or the soft version.

No, not voting purely on this. Voting to protect public services

We are talking about trans issues.

Brexit continues to affect the UK and Europe. Our relations with Europe will always affect us.

So yes, people do and will keep talking about it.

We are talking about people's reasons for voting the way they plan to.

What do you mean by “Where it looks very likely Marine Le Pen will win this time”? The next French presidential elections are not for another 3 years. Do you have a crystal ball?

Surely you can’t say more than the pp just based on who you talk to

There must be polls? What do they say

They can start their own thread and not hijack someone else’s because they haven’t had therapy or whatever. This thread is not about Brexit. Stop derailing.

It's a political discussion. I'm discussing with you. PP was discussing politics.

you can't veto other people's thoughts on politics on a political thread because you don't like them. Certainly not 'derailing'.

For anyone who had been listening to or aware of the chatter in the street/supermarket/hairdresser- it was obvious that the vote was going to be to leave the EU. That people were shocked and surprised by the result was in itself a surprise.

Yeah, there are polls. They're never reliable. They always indicate that this time really is the time Le Pen might actually win, and it never turns out to be true.

No idea what any polls are saying right now. It couldn't be less relevant given that the next presidential election is 3 years away and no one knows who will be running. All we know is that Macron isn't eligible to run again.

No. I'm voting on more important issues.

It’s a long way off so who knows but I don’t think you can be certain on what will happen either

You don’t feel the safety of yourself and dds is an ‘important’ issue? Riggghhhhttt….

The thread is about people's voting intentions, and whether they plan to vote purely based on trans issues or whether other things are as or more important to them.

It’s about trans issues not Brexit.

No one wants to talk about Brexit which is why some with a strange axe to grind ( they usually don’t live in the U.K. btw) hijack other threads to bore us rigid.

No one can ever be certain, no.

But I'm not really seeing anything different now compared to previous years.

Macron is unpopular, for sure, but less unpopular than either of his predecessors.

Some issues are more temporal, others are more fundamental. Prices, jobs and other such bread and butter issues will always fluctuate - and obviously most people focus on these because they have an immediate impact in their daily life.....whilst issues around the legal definition of sex, women's protections and child safeguarding are longer term and more fundamental.