Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

[TeacherAnonymous123]

Just as the title says really! Is that your only thought about who you'll vote for, or will you look at wider policies? Been getting lots of information through my letter box recently, and none mention it.

The French voting intentions are irrelevant.

What other european countries are doing; their patterns and characteristics do have a bearing on Britain, too. We might be a literal island, but metaphorcally we are not.

I’m genuinely fascinated that women don’t rate their own personal safety, dignity and you know the entire redefinition of what women means away from “adult human female” to “adult human female and men with undefined lady feelings (that they can dip in and out of should they do wish)” important

men would not put up with this - which is why the definition & use of men isn’t up for discussion and women are “birthing people”

If we're not careful we could end up with pages of people being berated for mentioning Brexit or France.......

Look, I'm happy to stop talking about Brexit.

My original comment was in response to someone who claimed that the last 14 years under the Tories have been "economically bliss" and that any economic turbulence was due to global phenomena such as COVID and therefore can't be blamed on the Tories.

That is both categorically untrue (it has not been "economic bliss" for most people) and ignores Brexit, which was a Tory initiative and is the main reason why the cost of living crisis has been worse in the UK than it has in the rest of Europe. It's a fairly spectacular rewriting of recent history.

Nothing you said there changes contradicts what I said. Those two outcomes may have been possible but it was not up to the UK to leave and then expect the same terms as Norway or Switzerland, anymore than Morocco can unilaterally decide to have the same terms as Norway.

Is that why you were so keen to tell us all about the voting intentions of the handful of French people you personally know in your the village where you have a holiday home?

That is most likely down to people just recognising or focusing on the issues that are in their face; in their daily life. Until something directly impacts them, many do not pay any attention. It is not an issue until it negatively impacts them.

The language doesn’t help - “culture wars” “mis gendering”

‘Trans issues’ even

It all works well to de prioritise women

It's a fairly spectacular rewriting of recent history.

abd one thing the TRA have shown in spades is how much rewriting of history and zombie facts affect current discussion. See the stonewall riots for example or for real time example “Cass disregarded 98 studies because not double blind”

So you don’t think education, nhs and freedom of speech are important?

The EU were pretty clear from the outset that those options were open to us. We might not have been able to join EFTA (the EU doesn't get to decide that, the EFTA members do) but we could have had a bilateral agreement with the EU along similar lines. It would have been far less hassle for the EU if we had done that. It was Theresa May who insisted on a hard Brexit so we could take back control of our borders, and that meant single market and customs union membership were off the table and the main topic for discussion was WTF to do about Northern Ireland. Without that consideration, it would have been much more straightforward. (Status quo falls away, negotiate a trade deal as the EU has done with many other countries.)

Yeah well it doesn't really affect men, does it?

I suspect that the quickest way to secure single sex spaces would be for thousands of women to start self IDing as men and invading the men's toilets en masse. When men can't get to the sinks to wash their hands because a gaggle of women are using the mirrors to inspect their buzz cuts and one of them is rinsing out her menstrual cup in the sink, they'll soon change their tune.

I just read an article which sounded like your post on it’ll never happen but about the European Parliament elections, that it could this time. Not from U.K. media though

We’ll see soon if they are correct about the general shift

Lol when exempt for (the immensely flawed and questionable) VAT policy, Labour haven't promised any extra funding for schools, some of the biggest donors to Labour Party are private healthcare companies etc.
https://inwhoseinterests.uk/2022/06/08/hedge-fund-labour-why-is-the-party-of-the-nhs-now-receiving-money-from-private-health-investors/comment-page-1/

The Labour Party of Old has gone, along with all the principles and beliefs. The fact that ex-Bank of England Reeves is shadow Chancellor highlights this. Their first priority will be keeping big business happy.

it was Theresa May who insisted on a hard Brexit so we could take back control of our borders

Immigration was one of the big drivers for leaving the EU and remains a huge influence over future elections including the next one. Many people will be voting at the next GE based on that. The Tories have failed to curb it hence the rise of the Reform Party, and the right wing in the EU.

For those saying ‘shut up about Brexit, it is irrelevant’. Apart from the fact it still impacts us (though our CoL increase is very similar to Germany’s), we are going into this election with a still very much central independence question in Scotland and the lessons of Brexit clearly not learnt by the Scottish Government and their idiotic white papers.

We know it was one of the drivers for people voting leave. What we don't know is whether more than 50% of the people who could be bothered to vote actually supported leaving the single market and customs union. Because they weren't asked that question. It would only have taken a small proportion of leave voters to favour an EFTA type model (the kind of relationship people like Nigel Farage suggested we would end up with) for there to be no majority, however you choose to calculate it, in favour of a hard Brexit.

That's why I said people voted against something, but they didn't really vote for anything.

In what sense have the Tories failed to curb immigration though? An entire continent of people can now no longer move to the UK without a visa. It actually makes it very difficult for me to move back to the UK if I wanted to.

In what sense have the Tories failed to curb immigration though?

Numbers of immigrants.

To be fair, there are many men who are supportive of women: their protections and dignity; and as many women who seemingly are the biggest cheerleaders for Trans ideology.

I'm not saying there aren't.

But it's more likely that something will actually change if men are being made to feel uncomfortable.

Are you referring to people entering the UK legally or illegally?

But women in men's spaces are not the same kind of threat as men in women's are.

To be honest, I don't see it primarily as a 'women versus men' issue - rather than one of ideological capture. The manifestations of the ideology are already happening and is what is now receiving push back. The next step will be to tackle the ideological nature of the trans phenomena. Reveal that nature to the public.

I don't think it is just about ideological capture though. If anything I think women are more likely to be ideologically captured than men are, because of the way we've been socialised since birth to put others before ourselves, which makes many of us more susceptible to the "most vulnerable" and "be kind" rhetoric.

A know a lot of men who will tell it to me straight that they know the gender stuff is all a load of bollocks, even some who are pretty outspoken about it in public, but are still telling me it shouldn't be a voting priority for me. Like, yes it's nonsense and I disagree with it all, but other things are more important. What women want and need is not as important as fixing the economy, getting the Tories out, etc.

My brother is one of these. He is well and truly peaked. It started with sports, and now prisons is the thing he is most outraged about. But he's still telling me I should vote Lib Dem because getting the Tories out is the most important priority right now. He even said that since I no longer live in the UK I don't understand how bad it is. But I think that since he's not a woman he doesn't really understand how serious this is for us. Like, he understands on an intellectual level, but not at a visceral level. And this is of course an issue which affects not just women and girls living in the UK, like my mum, not just women and girls like me and my daughter who are British citizens even if we don't currently live in the UK, but women and girls everywhere.

The US has gone insane. Canada has gone insane. Australia has gone insane. New Zealand has gone insane. Ireland has gone insane. Parts of Europe are starting to say, "Hang on a minute..."

The UK might just be what really helps to turn things around, if not globally then at least in Europe. It would be incredibly helpful to have a major, high profile country like the UK saying, "Yes trans people should have equal rights to everyone else and be treated with respect, but sex is real, binary and immutable, and sometimes it matters. Women need and have the right to single sex spaces, services and sports. Children have the right to a happy, healthy, uncomplicated childhood where they have the space and freedom to grow naturally and aren't being pressured into making irreversible decisions they are too young to understand based on a flawed ideology about being born in the wrong body."

In my constituency, it's a two horse race between the Tories and the Lib Dems. So in a way, my thoughts about Labour are irrelevant. If I voted somewhere it was a close run thing between the Tories and Labour, I would have to consider voting Labour. If I voted somewhere it was a close run thing between Labour and the Lib Dems, I would almost certainly vote Labour. But that's not the case where I vote, and regardless of what the Tories have done, over my dead cold body am I ever going to vote for the Lib Dems again.

Because I knew how the EU worked I voted Brexit. The EU wanted to make life difficult because it has other members champing at the Brussels bit. NI was used by the EU to cause the UK problems. The president of France told the then PM that, unlike Toulouse, Belfast was not in the same country as London - as though France does not consider and act upon all its overseass territories being an integral part of France. I do not want to be part of pan-Europe, and nor do a lot of other people.

You are of course entitled to your opinion.

But it really isn't the case that the EU was deliberately trying to make things difficult for the UK.

It was difficult, due to the unique situation regarding the border in Ireland.

The EU didn't create that situation. But it has to protect its external border otherwise the whole structure is compromised.