Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

[TeacherAnonymous123]

Just as the title says really! Is that your only thought about who you'll vote for, or will you look at wider policies? Been getting lots of information through my letter box recently, and none mention it.

I'm just waiting for him to pop up on our screens to tell us he's in good spirits and his captors are treating him well.

I have no one to vote for - it’s making me think we need a new party that looks after women, children. Keeps democracy at the forefront. We have 36 million women in this country. Maybe it’s about time they actually had a proper voice rather than wrangling and pleading with the patriarchy.

Points I will be considering:

Education - will my children be taught facts in school or will their education be dominated by an ideology that leads them to deny biology, ignore their boundaries, and transition them in secret, ultimately leading me to need to home educate them? If I do withdraw them, would social services threaten to take them into care to ply them with harmful drugs? Would my daughters have fair sports?

NHS - will I be able to access this or be called a bigot and denied care because I want same sex care? Will I and my daughters be allowed to request same sex carers, especially for intimate care, or be required to endure sexual assault if we need health care? Will the health care we are provided with be safe and effective for women or will the effect of treatment on women be unknown and potentially dangerous because research and clinical monitoring conflates the sexes? If my children need mental health care, will they be safe? If any of us need an in patient stay, will our privacy, dignity and safety be protected?

Freedom of speech and religion - will this be allowed? Or will I be forced to follow the beliefs of gender ideology? Will I be accused of a hate crime if I followed mainstream religious beliefs or read the Bible to my children in my own home? Will I be allowed to call a man a man? To refuse to undress in front of men? If I am arrested, will my human rights be considered or only those of male police officers?

Employment - will women be protected from discrimination based on their sex? Would a public board be considered equal if it is made up entirely of men? Will I be sacked if I don’t follow gender ideology? Or like a ‘wrong’ post? Will my business be blacklisted if I don’t subscribe to a Stonewall award or similar award scheme?

Hopefully Labour will not continue to privatize it like the Tories, who seem to hate it, and will put in some more money, rather than spending it on daft anti-immigrant schemes. They cannot be worse than the Tories.

Well said.

And look - much much more than a single issue 🙄, who knew?

It was a democratic vote and the people voted for what they wanted. I voted to leave, I believe in national sovereignty as the best guardian of democracy, and the EU is as about as democratic as a box of oranges.

At the moment i’m not sure what a tory vote would mean, as it looks as though Rishi will be booted and I could not vote for a party led, say by, Mordant given she has not been open and honest about about her position and is clearly ambivalent due to family ties.

I agree @BusyMummy001, no one actually knows what they will get from a Tory vote beyond the chaos of another🙄 leadership contest where Penny TWAW Mordaunt is one of the favourites to win.

PM Sunak is out on his hole the day after the election. If he lasts that long.

You seem to mean that David Cameron did not set up a supermajority so that Remain would win? That's not very democratic and considered improper in the UK (ever since the Scots won a vote to have an Assembly in 1979 and did not get it because 40% of the electorate (not the turnout) did not vote for it - a piece of gerrymandering all objected to - so, all referendums work on the principle that the winner is 50%+1). There was no disinformation - not that anyone was listening since almost all voters had decided how they would vote years ago - and anyone who had been listening outside the London bubble would have known how much disaffection there was from the EU. A refenda can only have a Yes/No answer, a three way split is impossible (and will favour the status quo, which may not be what the electorate wants). As for using underhand methods, the Remain campaign got an extra 9M in funding from the supposedly neutral government in the form of a leaflet urging us to vote Remain - I'd call that gerrymandering if I was not polite.
NB Liddington's reference to voter turnout was to the 1979 Scottish referendum. A voter turnout bill would never have got through Parliament - everyone thought it unfair and, as he implied, it is all about making sure the status quo/answer the government wants is certain to be the result. Not democratic. (Where he got the idea no-one was going to act on the result I do not know. Cameron was clear that the result would be acted on, and (bar the undemocratic 1979 Scots referenda) all referenda have been acted on by the UK.)

It was, however, their fault for not defining what Brexit would look like prior to the referendum

The ‘Brexit’ campaigners could no more lay out what Brexit would look like prior to a referendum than the SNP can dictate what Scottish independence would look like. That would depend on the governments elected into power over the next few years and the terms agreed with the other party (EU/rUK). You can’t even say what you would accept from negotiations as that would be immediately taken by the other side as the starting point for negotiations, not the end point. The same holds true of ‘remain’ - no one could tell at the point of the referendum what a subsequent government would do.

It's not a vote loser I'd you're still going to vote Labour

I'm spoiling my ballot. I can't vote green or Labour and while the conservatives sound good on sex/gender issues they would be a catastrophe for most in every other way.

The thing is though that the Conservatives at least began to backtrack and put the brakes on. The other major parties did not.

That's not true. Since the Isla Bryson case and the Cass Review other major parties are backtracking and putting the brakes on. It's just when they do it, it's called "reverse ferreting" on FWR.

We haven’t seen Labour or the Liberal Democrat’s do that. Labour have not moved at all on the issue. It’s exactly the same as it was before, and no doubt if they are voted in god only knows what they will do on the trans issue. Rewind all if the progress we have made. We will be silenced again on here - as we were before and erased in every conceivable way. What woman could possibly vote for that? Labour really really couldn’t care less about real women. We are nothing. Invisible.

I hate to be that person, but actually anyone with reasonable knowledge of how the EU actually works could have told you what options would be on the table. Soft Brexit (the Norway model) or Hard Brexit (with a side dish of "oh fuck what do we do about the border in Ireland).

There were never going to be any other choices available.

It’s interesting to see the political developments in the EU and the huge swing to the far right. I feel relieved we are listening to our people in the U.K., and their fears, and responding with referendums and in a democratic way or we would be facing the same fate as France for example. Where it looks very likely Marine ke pen will win this time.

People in the UK say Le Pen is probably going to win the next election in France every single time. It hasn't come close to happening yet. I wouldn't believe anything you read in the UK media about France in general. They seem determined to portray France as a civilisation permanently on the verge of collapse, which just isn't true in reality.

I've always wondered why that is (media bias v France, I mean).

Don’t they do polls? What die they say

Not that polls are always accurate

That’s what the political analyst say. France it seems has had enough.

Yeah it's an odd one. On several occasions whilst living in France I've had people text me to ask if I'm OK because they've read in the UK media that the whole of France is on fire and I haven't been aware of what is supposedly happening. The gilet jaune protests were quite something for a couple of months (only at weekends) but people in the UK seemed to be under the impression that it was still ongoing months after it had finished and that this was a sign that Macron's leadership was fucked. Well, no, Macron held out for longer than the gilets jaunes did, he passed his reforms and then he won another term.

I think British people don't really understand the French mentality, i.e. the fact that they love to complain and shout and protest and this is completely normal for them, not a sign that society has broken down (even if they are complaining that society has broken down), and yes most French people always hate the government even if it is the government that they personally voted into office just a few weeks ago, but they also want their public services to run. Very few of them actually like chaos.

But I also think the UK media massively ham up whatever is happening in France because the British public like to console themselves about the shit show that is the UK by saying, "Oh well, it could be worse, at least it's not as bad as it is in France."

What is strange is how you seem to have conflated Le Pen’s potential win with the collapse of France?!

France isn’t going to collapse - it is remaining true to its democratic values which is protective and the safest way for any society to display their disapproval and seek change.

The political analysts have to justify their existence somehow.

Everyone in France knows that Le Pen isn't capable of actually running the country, which is why there will be lots of talk about how she might win, but when push comes to shove she will lose, just like she loses every election.

It’s not just the U.K. media, other outlets predict shifts too

This.

It's a no from me. Anyone who thinks the Tories are probably women needs to give their head a wobble.