Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

[TeacherAnonymous123]

Just as the title says really! Is that your only thought about who you'll vote for, or will you look at wider policies? Been getting lots of information through my letter box recently, and none mention it.

Evidence of what? The fact they always vote Labour and many would rather spoil their ballot than vote Tory, or for whom women’s rights are the straw that broke the camels back does not provide evidence of a lack of tribalism.

No. Whilst this is important, there are other issues that are as important, if not more so. To vote Tory just because they are talking the talk on trans issues is like setting your house on fire because the bathroom is painted a funny colour.

Don't allow this one issue to influence your vote, the Tories will continue to pillage this country and make everything worse for everyone, don't fall for this.

It’s really not

It’s not ‘trans issues’ it’s women’s sex based rights and impacts more than a funny colour equivalent

I’m so tired of saying this

No. Gender ideology is a huge concern to me but not as huge as the climate emergency.

I'll be voting tactically against the Tories. Who have also ruined the NHS, social housing, education... The list goes on.
And using my voice to continue campaigning for women's and children's rights whoever wins.

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Ffs! Unbelievable, talk about missing the point.

Reluctantly this.

No.

Climate change

Living wage/cost of living

Housing crisis

Destruction of the NHS

Vote based on these issues, because these things impact on us every single day, and continue to campaign for single sex spaces and women's rights.

Well I voted Green last time because of the climate and look what happened there (Scotland).

So why is it so hard for Keir Starmer to say those six words? That 'sex is immutable and it matters'? What's stopping him from saying it?

I'm only speculating but could he have a family member or life-long friend who is identifying as TQ+? Has it become an issue too close to home?

Aye, maybe.

I don't need a leader in a hostage situation.

So good they said it thrice!

Grabbing this one again as I had missed it the first time. Thank you Dineasair for giving it a bump.

Labour have been great at stamping their feet and delivering rhetoric, exactly as we need from the Opposition. Despite the flip-floppy nature of the substance, Starmer is a marked improvement on Corbyn in this respect IMO. He does at least engage.

However, back to the substance.. How, Keir? And what, Keir? You've said what you don't like and you've said what you want to fix, but what does "fixed" look like? All we've seen so far on this is an even worse outcome for transwidows because you've misunderstood the "spousal veto" - it's not a veto on the transition, it's a right to divorce a husband and not a wife. Irrespective of anyone's views on homosexual marriage (personal I support it, and I've seen the same from many posters), the idea that a woman should be forced to accept a divorce record where the marriage that has been ended is between two women, simply because the man now identifies as a woman, is just plain wrong.
And if they can't be bothered to understand what they should change and what "better" actually looks like, how can we trust them to do this with any other rhetoric statements? How will they improve the NHS? Where will the money come from? What does "better" look like? Etc etc.

Agreed. And if he is a hostage, he needs to recognise it and step aside. That would be the responsible, grown-up, leader-ish thing to do.

As I say I'm voting tactically against the Tories, due to their utter disregard and trashing of our children's future safety and life on this planet. Rather than with any particular enthusiasm for any other party! Seemingly the Greens are (sadly) the most captured lot out there. But they aren't an option on the ballot form where I am, so not an issue for me.

Agree completely with what a pp wrote:
"Yes I will be voting based solely on this issue in the next GA" and I will also vote that way in my local council, Mayoral and PCC election.

I used to be a member of the Labour party. I can't imagine ever giving them my vote again.

"So why is it so hard for Keir Starmer to say those six words? That 'sex is immutable and it matters'? What's stopping him from saying it?"

I don't know @AutumnCrow but I suspect it's mostly due to him being a pathetic feeble critter. It's still socially unacceptable to state biological truths, and even with the CASS report it'll take years before people are comfortable challenging the trans agenda.

How,Keir? Andwhat, Keir? You've said what you don't like and you've said what you want to fix, but what does "fixed" look like? All we've seen so far on this is an even worse outcome for transwidows because you've misunderstood the "spousal veto" - it's not a veto on the transition, it's a right to divorce a husband and not a wife. Irrespective of anyone's views on homosexual marriage (personal I support it, and I've seen the same from many posters), the idea that a woman should be forced to accept a divorce record where the marriage that has been ended is between two women, simply because the man now identifies as a woman, is just plain wrong. [My emphasis]

This is so well expressed, @BonfireLady.

No

I'm just going to see what Labour's manifesto says before I commit. If they are still planning to make it easier for men to falsify their identity documents then I probably won't vote for them. The other thing is if they are planning on bringing in hate speech laws that'll put me off voting for them as well. but I expect them to win comfortably anyway. They don't need my vote.

Thank you very much @ Chariothorses

@Vaccances
Here are places where you can read about what I wrote earlier on this afternoon which you asked about.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/24/labour-vows-to-modernise-simplify-and-reform-gender-recognition-act

A thread where I commented about the Guardian report
ScrollingLeaves · 19/04/2024 23:14

The Labour Women’s Declaration about it.
https://labourwomensdeclaration.org.uk/lwd-responds-to-the-uk-labour-partys-pivot-on-sex-and-gender/

Labour Women’s Declaration about the spousal contract aspect.
https://labourwomensdeclaration.org.uk/the-spousal-consent-clause-in-the-gra-an-important-protection-for-women
(Which I think someone else (BonfireLady?) has mentioned today too.

Spectator article about Kier Starmer and the “Ban Conversion Therapy Bill”.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/labours-trans-inclusive-conversion-therapy-ban-will-be-a-disaster/

Kemi Badenoch about how banning conversion therapy if it means affirmation only is problematic.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/dec/06/gender-affirming-care-for-children-form-of-conversion-therapy-says-badenoch

I'm voting for our local independent.

No way I'm voting for the Tories after the last 14 years

Labour is a definite no because Kier Starmer is so slippery and unwilling to answer a simple question that he seems either entirely untrustworthy or stupid (and we know he's not stupid). Yes I know you shouldn't vote for the leader but he sets the tone for the party so if he doesn't have the balls to acknowledge reality in case it upsets some TRAs then it's a nope from me (and our local Labour candidate is just as unwilling to commit one way or another)

Lib dems and greens are so into the Kool Aid there is no chance I'm voting for either

So independent, spoiled ballot or no vote for me