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Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

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TeacherAnonymous123 · 30/04/2024 12:54

Just as the title says really! Is that your only thought about who you'll vote for, or will you look at wider policies? Been getting lots of information through my letter box recently, and none mention it.

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Abeona · 01/05/2024 13:22

Have you ever read Denton's advice on how to influence key people and bring them into the trans fold? Designed to draw people in while concealing from the the full agenda. Glinner has it here:
https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-dentons-document

It's a strategy document outlining how to pull susceptible people in without revealing the full extent of the trans project.

The Denton's Document: Part 1

Who's behind it?

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-dentons-document

Lostmum1906 · 01/05/2024 13:24

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/05/2024 13:20

I don't wish to derail the thread but no, the people didn't decide what they wanted. They decided - by a very slim margin and following a relentless campaign of disinformation - what they didn't want. The actual alternatives were not clearly spelled out to them, and after the actual referendum they had no further part in choosing the direction the country would go in. I don't find that democratic at all.

I also don't wish to derail the thread. But I believe it was a democratic vote, that was laid to the people to make the decision. So lets agree to disagree.

Annasoror · 01/05/2024 13:28

Lostmum1906 · 01/05/2024 13:16

Brexit was a referendum in a democracy, and the democracy decided what they wanted.
Im not a Tory, and I dont blame them to give the people a choice, which they got and decided.

It was, however, their fault for not defining what Brexit would look like prior to the referendum and for having no plan for Leave, so that voters were vulnerable to the misinformation circulating about what a vote for Leave would actually mean. It is the opposite of democratic to have votes founded upon misinformation. Under the Vienna convention the referendum would have been ruled as inadmissible had it been set up as a binding referendum. Ironically the only reason it wasn't was that bloody David Cameron had failed to put in the necessary safeguards before taking it upon himself to promise the public that the result would be implemented, which is not what was agreed in the HoC. It's all in Hansard. David Lidington explicitly said that there was no need for the safeguards of percentage of voter turnout/ supermajority etc because nobody was going to act upon the result.

Abeona · 01/05/2024 13:29

So in your opinion, the Welsh people, many of whom have moved from England for various reasons are thick and stupid as they keep on voting for Labour.

Ah, the old 'can't argue with the points being made, so accuse, deflect and attack' line of debate. Women on FWR are very familiar with this tactic: we see you for what you are.

Annasoror · 01/05/2024 13:30

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/05/2024 13:21

I see a lot of emotional blackmail designed to make women feel that their own rights are unimportant compared to matters such as the crumbling healthcare system or children living in poverty.

I'd like to see all this energy directed at the politicians forcing women to choose between those things, not at the women in an impossible position.

Well women's rights are massively affected by poverty and crumbling healthcare, so they are not separate issues.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/05/2024 13:32

Annasoror · 01/05/2024 13:30

Well women's rights are massively affected by poverty and crumbling healthcare, so they are not separate issues.

That's why it would be really great if Labour could stop being dicks so we actually had an acceptable party to vote for.

Wherewerewerewear · 01/05/2024 13:40

Abeona · 01/05/2024 13:29

So in your opinion, the Welsh people, many of whom have moved from England for various reasons are thick and stupid as they keep on voting for Labour.

Ah, the old 'can't argue with the points being made, so accuse, deflect and attack' line of debate. Women on FWR are very familiar with this tactic: we see you for what you are.

We?

Abeona · 01/05/2024 13:41

Well women's rights are massively affected by poverty and crumbling healthcare, so they are not separate issues.

But if no one can say what a woman is then what are women's rights and women's issues? If any man can 'be' a woman, then how does that fit with the Equality Act 2010? Which reminds me. 1 July in Swansea:

https://www.taliesinartscentre.co.uk/en/performances?id=60133&returnURL=%2Fen%2Fall-events%3Fpage%3D4

Sex, Discrimination & the Equality Act

If any man can ‘be’ a woman, or any woman a man, what use is the Equality Act 2010 in preventing sex discrimination?

https://www.taliesinartscentre.co.uk/en/performances?id=60133&returnURL=%2Fen%2Fall-events%3Fpage%3D4

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/05/2024 13:48

Abeona · 01/05/2024 13:29

So in your opinion, the Welsh people, many of whom have moved from England for various reasons are thick and stupid as they keep on voting for Labour.

Ah, the old 'can't argue with the points being made, so accuse, deflect and attack' line of debate. Women on FWR are very familiar with this tactic: we see you for what you are.

Very familiar with this tactic given the accusations of selling out women, being TRAs as well as the tone policing and "scold" comments on this thread. All because posters dare criticise the Tories and refuse to vote for them

EasternStandard · 01/05/2024 13:52

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/05/2024 13:48

Very familiar with this tactic given the accusations of selling out women, being TRAs as well as the tone policing and "scold" comments on this thread. All because posters dare criticise the Tories and refuse to vote for them

I see it more from posters because women refuse to vote for Labour 🤷‍♀️

Constant attempts to shame

AstonsDataThief · 01/05/2024 14:08

EasternStandard · 01/05/2024 13:52

I see it more from posters because women refuse to vote for Labour 🤷‍♀️

Constant attempts to shame

Quite. Labour lost so badly last time because rather than engage with voters they just tried to shame Tory voters. You saw it all over social media - name calling rather than policies. Potential Tory voters then just kept quiet until the secrecy of the ballot box.

Giggorata · 01/05/2024 14:10

AstonsDataThief · 01/05/2024 11:20

If you respect your Tory MP then why not vote for him? Labour are almost certain to win and we will need some good people in opposition.

I do think it is important we consider the candidates themselves regardless of the party they are a member of.

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I know, I'm torn…

AutumnCrow · 01/05/2024 14:23

Soigneur · 01/05/2024 13:16

“In thrall”, “lured in”. Did they have no agency?

I certainly think that Blunt, Mordaunt et. al. should take responsibility for their actions and inactions, yes, thank you for asking.

Mordaunt in particular seems to be trying to rewrite her personal history on this. Perhaps she sells her agency to the highest bidder?

(NB yet more reframing by the media of women being erased in law as 'trans rights'.)

Crispin Blunt's agency of course took him into particularly appalling and ignominious territory. He was the agent of his own destruction.

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/tory-debate-trans-mordaunt-badenoch-b2124477.html

Tory leadership debate: Mordaunt clashes with Badenoch over trans rights

Penny Mordaunt was questioned by Kemi Badenoch on her record on trans rights during the Conservative Party leadership debate on Friday (15 July). The MP for Portsmouth North said that she had never been favour of people self-identifying as their chosen...

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/tory-debate-trans-mordaunt-badenoch-b2124477.html

TrainedByCatsToBeScathing · 01/05/2024 14:30

Yes I will be voting based solely on this issue in the next GA and have for the local council and PCC election (postal vote so already cast). It’s the biggest fight for women's rights in the west. I’ve been spoiling my vote last few votes as I struggled with voting so far out of my natural politics but I keep coming back to Labour and Lib Dem’s clearly stating they don’t want women who believe in reality to vote for them and they’ve expelled women from their parties solely based on those beliefs. I will need an apology to women for getting it so badly wrong before I’d vote Labour again.

BonfireLady · 01/05/2024 14:33

Dineasair · 01/05/2024 12:45

Sajid Javid was instrumental in delivering the Cass Report, it would never have happened under Labour, we all know that.

The WPATH approach has been exposed as being entirely without sound evidence. The Cass report has been spun to emphasise the holistic approach as being a win for the trans movement when what it really means for most children is wait and see, coupled with an exploration of co morbidities and an emphasise on talk therapies. As most children grow out of it during puberty this will verify that it is indeed transient, that alone will change the landscape. Any political party would be extremely foolish to continue to push medicalising children after the Cass Report. The trans movement needed the children to verify them and provide recruits, that will dwindle through time.

We are not going away, the GC movement is growing all the time, and it will continue to grow. The detransitioners litigation will help to ensure that, Keira Bell is just the tip of a big, growing and increasingly visible iceberg. In Ireland, evidence is surfacing of the harm being caused to women in prison specifically, but also in other protected spaces, and there is legislation going through the Dail right now seeking to stop it.

The thing that the TRA side claims would never happen keeps happening, again and again, trans women displaying male pattern violence and sexual offending. The hospital rape by a trans woman will also happen again and again, as the NHS will not be able to prevent it as the get out clause will be used with glee. We will make these crimes very visible, rely on it.

The more ground we gain the more vicious the pushback is likely to be unfortunately, KJK was almost killed in New Zealand. The aggressive black clad and masked thugs that surround women when we protest is likely to become even more violent the more ground we gain, and that will not be a good look for the trans cause. The violence and intimidation won’t stop women though, it didn’t stop the original suffragettes and it won’t stop us, we are fighting for our very survival and for the freedom of our daughters.

The thing about reality is that it eventually can’t be denied, especially now that the era of no debate is well and truly over. The Labour Party is doing itself no favours by standing by the lie that people can change sex, they can’t, and everyone outside the TRA echo chamber actually knows that, that’s why these policies are rejected by the vast majority of the population, as poll after poll in every country shows.

This is not a grassroots movement, it is a top down movement based on very questionable evidence, that has been imposed by legislation. It is destabilising not just families but the whole of society, that will have repercussions. People generally don’t like Russian style restrictions on their freedom, and how popular do you think recording things that aren’t even a crime but that will affect peoples employability and finances are going to be? Every person that is debanked has family and friends, how do you think popular movements grew before the internet? Word of mouth still works you know so even if they stop us criticising them on the internet, we can still trash them verbally, in a polite way to stop us being arrested. JKR really defanged the draconian Scottish Hate Crime Laws on day one lol.

Who do you think will be blamed for these misfortunes once people realise exactly who these restrictions and punishments were brought in to promote? This movement does not have longevity because it is unscientific and not based on reality. Trans people have all the rights that everyone else has. Trans women have the exact same rights as any other man and trans men have exactly the same rights as any other woman, what is being demanded is privilege not rights, and that privilege is stripping the rights from other groups. In Scotland a trans woman has more rights than a natal woman, and the proposed misogyny law will cover them too, that means that they will have two lots of protection, that is privilege. The evidence for violence towards trans women just isn’t there, and the touted statistics were based on South American trans women in the South American sex industry, not on trans women here. Women shouldn’t be used as shields to protect men from the violence of other men anyway.

The trans utter disregard for anyone but themselves will ultimately be their undoing, all they have to do is keep pushing. Operation let them speak.

Well said 👏

AstonsDataThief · 01/05/2024 14:37

Any political party would be extremely foolish to continue to push medicalising children after the Cass Report.

Sadly, we have some extremely foolish political parties. Especially in Scotland.

DragonFly98 · 01/05/2024 14:52

Absolutely not ,as much as it is a very important issue. Poverty and the treatment of disabled people is more important. Women are dying because of the later.

BusyMummy001 · 01/05/2024 14:56

Bit late to this thread and have to say that I have no idea. Am in a Tory safe seat so historically a Lib or Lab vote has been wasted, but the constituency boundaries are changing so will be in a new one next time with completely unknown candidates for all parties so can’t even rely on reputation. At the moment i’m not sure what a tory vote would mean, as it looks as though Rishi will be booted and I could not vote for a party led, say by, Mordant given she has not been open and honest about about her position and is clearly ambivalent due to family ties.

I just cannot bring myself to vote labour either - not just on this issue but on the basis I cannot see that they actually have any action plans or policies on anything else that matters to me, either. I fear a labour government will go the same way as the Democrats in the US - managing in utter chaos and then an even further right wing govt following them within 3-5 years. Ideologically I’m ‘Liberal’ but that has been a waste of a vote for decades.

I feel politically homeless and have never come so close to betraying all those suffragettes who fought for my right to vote… but really?

AutumnCrow · 01/05/2024 15:18

The problem for the Tories with Mordaunt as leader, apart from her alleged lack of focus, dearth of talent and dislike of hard work, is that she will finally have her 'origin story', her family, real beliefs and actual naval experience scrutinised as never before. I'm buying popcorn.

She has to keep her seat first, of course.

Her main opposition in her constituency will be the Labour candidate, who has I believe been confirmed as Amanda Martin, a former co-president of the NEU - a teaching union up to its neck in gender woo.

What kind of choice is this for voters? Tangled web woo or 'I'm A Believer' woo.

Vaccances · 01/05/2024 15:18

Abeona · 01/05/2024 13:29

So in your opinion, the Welsh people, many of whom have moved from England for various reasons are thick and stupid as they keep on voting for Labour.

Ah, the old 'can't argue with the points being made, so accuse, deflect and attack' line of debate. Women on FWR are very familiar with this tactic: we see you for what you are.

Err what do you think you are doing? you aren't making any argument at all.

I'm answering the point that a pp poster made, that voters in Wales are tribal etc.
I don't believe that, i think if an electorate votes for a party for 25 years, then thats because they must at some level, be delivering, either that or the opposition are shit.

For all your "oh look at Welsh Labour" you cannot get away from the fact that despite having plenty of other candidates, the Welsh vote labour in every time & looking at the polling, they will again.

AstonsDataThief · 01/05/2024 15:46

How many people on this thread alone have said they always vote Labour and could never vote Conservative? Of course voters are tribal. And in much of Wales that would be to do with mining.

Wherewerewerewear · 01/05/2024 15:56

A few people have also said they usually vote Labour but will likely vote Tory if Starmer doesn’t change his tune.

Abeona · 01/05/2024 15:56

Actually, quite a lot of people on this thread are saying that despite being Labour voters traditionally, they're prepared to vote Tory to ensure the protection of women's rights. Which is why Vacances is so angry with them. But let's not let the evidence get in the way of our prejudices, eh?

Grammarnut · 01/05/2024 16:39

No. I am worried about the direction of the NHS and the welfare state (such as is left) under the Conservatives, who have shown they care little for these things (obviously do not realise even Tory voters use the NHS?). So I shall reluctantly vote Labour, then fight over the trans issue if it is necessary - but Starmer has accepted the Cass review, so maybe they realise trans is a vote loser?

AstonsDataThief · 01/05/2024 17:09

Grammarnut · 01/05/2024 16:39

No. I am worried about the direction of the NHS and the welfare state (such as is left) under the Conservatives, who have shown they care little for these things (obviously do not realise even Tory voters use the NHS?). So I shall reluctantly vote Labour, then fight over the trans issue if it is necessary - but Starmer has accepted the Cass review, so maybe they realise trans is a vote loser?

What do Labour plan to do with the NHS and welfare state?

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