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Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

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TeacherAnonymous123 · 30/04/2024 12:54

Just as the title says really! Is that your only thought about who you'll vote for, or will you look at wider policies? Been getting lots of information through my letter box recently, and none mention it.

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bellinisurge · 01/05/2024 10:28

Currently still planning to spoil my paper. Labour hasn't gone anywhere near meeting the minimum I expect. Apologising to Rosie Duffield would be the bare minimum.

My starting point looking at any party is "do they punt gender ideology in any form"? If they don't, I look at the rest of their policies. If I don't like their other policies, I won't vote for them.

So far not one is acceptable to me.

EasternStandard · 01/05/2024 10:28

Dineasair · 01/05/2024 10:15

Oh and your argument doesn’t pass the reality test. The Tories in England commissioned the Cass report, have withdrawn puberty blockers, have insisted on single sex provision in health care and prisons, outlawed women being erased in official communications and guidelines and have insisted that the police stop recording non crime hate incidents. Better late than never I say.

Yes why are these not known?

Labour have been going in the opposite direction in votes and policy (including Wales)

Dineasair · 01/05/2024 10:32

CasadeCoca · 01/05/2024 08:57

I think you'll find Maria Miller (conservative) was the pivotal figure in respect of the promotion of self-ID in recent parliamentary history.

Still doesn’t negate the fact that it is Labour who are responsible for the whole shit show in the first place.

KnitFastDieWarm · 01/05/2024 10:35

Lifelong labour voter, politically homeless for the last few years. By no means a blanket anti-Tory (i have great respect for people like Victoria Atkins etc) but can’t vote for them due to the dire state they’ve got the country into.

Was going to spoil my ballot, but post-Cass I feel like the wind has changed enough for me to tentatively vote labour (barring them coming out with anything especially stupid between now and the GE). If they stood Wes Streeting as leader I’d vote for them - I respect someone who can say ‘i was wrong about this and i’ve changed my mind based on new evidence’.

tl;dr Kier Starmer needs to pull
his finger out, grow a backbone, and actually LEAD

Vaccances · 01/05/2024 10:36

Dineasair · 01/05/2024 10:15

Oh and your argument doesn’t pass the reality test. The Tories in England commissioned the Cass report, have withdrawn puberty blockers, have insisted on single sex provision in health care and prisons, outlawed women being erased in official communications and guidelines and have insisted that the police stop recording non crime hate incidents. Better late than never I say.

NHS England commissioned the independent Cass report.

We ve always had single sex wards, the Tories meanwhile have run down the NHS to such an extent that they can no longer provide them and even when they do, such as the one my MiL was in, they had so few staff she was still sexually abused.

The "get out catch all" is that clinical need trumps a womens right to chose and that would be as simple as "No that TW cannot go to their own separate room because we need that for possible infection control"

Hospitals don't have the staff wards equipment for 100% single sex wards.

Whilst PB's will be banned (later this year) following the closure of two clinics, the less than 100 children on them will continue and the Govt is opening up 2 new facilities for Trans children, currently over 5000 children on waiting lists for them, 250 will be transferred to them when they open.

The NHS said children attending these clinics will be supported by experts in neurodiversity, paediatrics and mental health, "resulting in a holistic approach to care"

Whats so great about not reporting a hate crime? (towards a Trans person)

The Govt support the GRA as it "strikes the right balance" and has made getting a GRC easier than ever.

FlakyPoet · 01/05/2024 10:39

Dineasair · 01/05/2024 10:32

Still doesn’t negate the fact that it is Labour who are responsible for the whole shit show in the first place.

Right. The GRA was sneaked in on labour’s watch as was the vague ‘gender reassignment’ being protected on a par with sex in the EA, even though it need be no more than an intention in a person’s mind - a private thought at some point in time - to qualify for that status.

Also all the unions are captured.

EasternStandard · 01/05/2024 10:40

FlakyPoet · 01/05/2024 10:39

Right. The GRA was sneaked in on labour’s watch as was the vague ‘gender reassignment’ being protected on a par with sex in the EA, even though it need be no more than an intention in a person’s mind - a private thought at some point in time - to qualify for that status.

Also all the unions are captured.

Yep the GRA underpins this mess. It’s one of the biggest legal mistakes for women and children

Dineasair · 01/05/2024 10:42

Vaccances · 01/05/2024 06:45

Have they rowed back?

they were recently asked what they planned on doing about the GRA, their reply was "no change as it strikes the right balance"

Talk is cheap.

Rosie Duffield is sticking with Labour, she hasn't joined the Tory party, which based on what you re saying she would do as Labour are anti women/will destroy our rights/send us back to the dark ages.

So why aren't you (and others) backing her?

So you are totally discounting the Tory commissioned Cass Report? The Tories immediately withdrew puberty blockers, they have ordered that the NHS and the prison service return to single sex, they have insisted that the police stop recording non crime hate incidents, they have insisted that official health and government literature return to sex based language. I think this indicates the direction they are travelling in while the Labour Party in Scotland has just voted down a bill to protect women’s sex based rights.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/05/2024 10:42

Nellodee · 01/05/2024 07:56

My personal take would be “fail to vote for the party most likely to beat the tories in your constituency”. I’d even vote liberal or reform to get the tories out, if it made sense locally. It’s the end result that matters to me, not whether I feel like my vote matches my beliefs.

Again, why aren't you reframing this? It's not women's responsibility to vote for parties which don't respect our rights, just because you and others have decided the most important priority is to get the Tories out.

It is the responsibility of parties who are serious about getting the Tories out to take women's rights and child safeguarding seriously. Why aren't they? What the fuck is wrong with them?

Dineasair · 01/05/2024 10:46

FlakyPoet · 01/05/2024 10:26

Not to mention the intervention at the 11th hour to stop the Scottish govt bringing in self id.

Absolutely! I voted SNP all my life and I voted yes but I’m so glad that this happened and so thankful that we didn’t get independence, especially when I look at completely fecked up Ireland.

Dineasair · 01/05/2024 10:49

And they want women to vote Labour, Jesus wept!

ScrollingLeaves · 01/05/2024 10:50

FlakyPoet · 01/05/2024 10:39

Right. The GRA was sneaked in on labour’s watch as was the vague ‘gender reassignment’ being protected on a par with sex in the EA, even though it need be no more than an intention in a person’s mind - a private thought at some point in time - to qualify for that status.

Also all the unions are captured.

And Labour intend to make Gender Recognition Certificates much easier to get all the while knowing full well these certificates legally change a persons sex. So creating the 1% ( for the moment) of “women” who have a penis whom Keir Starmer talks about under the obfuscating, upside down phrase, “99% of women don’t have a penis” or “99% of women are biological”.

Labour also intends to remove the legal protection of spouses for married people getting a GRC - those poor people who entered a marriage contract with a person of one sex, only to be told they were not marrying that sex meaning their contract would be meaningless.

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/05/2024 10:57

It's the freedom to say 2+2=4

That freedom has been under threat from the Tories for a number of years now. They wrote genderwoo into their Maternity Bill, then declared TWAW and TMAN at the Despatch Box. They're trying to declare Rwanda a Safe Country in law, regardless of facts and objective reality.

Scary precedents.

EasternStandard · 01/05/2024 11:00

It's the freedom to say 2+2=4

I’m not sure who posted this but it’s a better way to look at it than ‘trans issues’

I don’t want a society of Orwell meets McCarthy so I’ll vote against it

Women and children are harmed by it.

To add the GRA led to this and I can see Labour are still beholden

RebelliousCow · 01/05/2024 11:01

Vaccances · 01/05/2024 10:05

Sorry but what has that got anything to do with the UK's relations with the EU?

Equivalence on qualifications/crime/trade/education all have been very badly handled by the Tories.

On the EU specifically, whilst they ve certainly got their own problems, they are dwarfed by the ones here in the UK, most of europe, esp Germany, start far ahead of the UK.

e.g Healthcare and in particular cancer rates and dental care, the UK has some of the most expensive and inaccessible healthcare anywhere in Europe.
I am, at this very moment, looking at going abroad for affordable dental treatment, many countries in EU have highly regulated and skilled private dental care, offering treatment at around half that in the UK.

You don't need to be sorry!

All component parts are impacted when there is a wider crisis. Individual countries obviously try to negotiate their own favourable terms or try to ameliorate other issues they face and relationships can become frayed; and that is certainly the case at present.But of course, what I'm mainly suggesting is that many issues we are facing in Britain are not unique to Britain, even if some are. All countries have their own particular issues.

Giggorata · 01/05/2024 11:14

My Tory MP is GC, and active in the constituency, to boot, but I loathe what the Tories are doing and despair for the NHS.
I wouldn't trust Labour, even if they announced a huge about face about women's issues. Also, I don't think they would do a lot more for the NHS than the Tories.
Other parties have bandwagon jumped on gender woo and suppression of free speech and rights.

No parties come across as having constructive long term plans for ensuring free speech, or health and social care, or doing anything about uncontrolled immigration, or the environment, or housing, or criminal justice.

I will probably end up writing “Respect my sex if you want my X” on the ballot paper.

Thelnebriati · 01/05/2024 11:18

No, because its not 'the transgender issue', its the 'women being erased in law' issue.

AstonsDataThief · 01/05/2024 11:20

Giggorata · 01/05/2024 11:14

My Tory MP is GC, and active in the constituency, to boot, but I loathe what the Tories are doing and despair for the NHS.
I wouldn't trust Labour, even if they announced a huge about face about women's issues. Also, I don't think they would do a lot more for the NHS than the Tories.
Other parties have bandwagon jumped on gender woo and suppression of free speech and rights.

No parties come across as having constructive long term plans for ensuring free speech, or health and social care, or doing anything about uncontrolled immigration, or the environment, or housing, or criminal justice.

I will probably end up writing “Respect my sex if you want my X” on the ballot paper.

If you respect your Tory MP then why not vote for him? Labour are almost certain to win and we will need some good people in opposition.

I do think it is important we consider the candidates themselves regardless of the party they are a member of.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/05/2024 11:21

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/05/2024 10:57

It's the freedom to say 2+2=4

That freedom has been under threat from the Tories for a number of years now. They wrote genderwoo into their Maternity Bill, then declared TWAW and TMAN at the Despatch Box. They're trying to declare Rwanda a Safe Country in law, regardless of facts and objective reality.

Scary precedents.

Is Rwanda an unsafe country?

AccountCreateUsername · 01/05/2024 11:24

No. We need to get the Tories out, that’s my only motivation this election

ScrollingLeaves · 01/05/2024 11:24

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/05/2024 10:57

It's the freedom to say 2+2=4

That freedom has been under threat from the Tories for a number of years now. They wrote genderwoo into their Maternity Bill, then declared TWAW and TMAN at the Despatch Box. They're trying to declare Rwanda a Safe Country in law, regardless of facts and objective reality.

Scary precedents.

The thing is though that the Conservatives at least began to backtrack and put the breaks on. The other major parties did not.

Thank goodness some Lords intervened with the Maternity bill and kept the word “Mother”.

Then Boris said March 2022
(Guardian quote):

At Wednesday’s PMQs, Boris Johnson told MPs that “we must recognise when people want to make a transition in their lives that they should be treated with the maximum possible generosity and respect” but added “when it comes to distinguishing between man and woman, the basic facts of biology remain overwhelmingly important”.

At the time, saying this was virtually taboo.

They paused the Ban Conversion Therapy Bill in regard to the T in LGBT because of legitimate concerns.

commissioned the Cass report.

closed the Tavistock

blocked Scottish self-ID.

Broached the subject of clarifying the word ‘sex’ in the Equality Act.

Kemi Badenoch has shown clear, informed understanding of the issues as related to women and children.

Boris Johnson | Politics | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/boris-johnson

EasternStandard · 01/05/2024 11:34

Thelnebriati · 01/05/2024 11:18

No, because its not 'the transgender issue', its the 'women being erased in law' issue.

Yes framing it as a ‘trans issue’ is not helpful to women, or children

ScrollingLeaves · 01/05/2024 11:38

Thelnebriati · 01/05/2024 11:18

No, because its not 'the transgender issue', its the 'women being erased in law' issue.

You have put that perfectly.

ScrapeMyArse · 01/05/2024 11:55

Thelnebriati · 01/05/2024 11:18

No, because its not 'the transgender issue', its the 'women being erased in law' issue.

Exactly

Do any other marginalised groups get shamed for caring about their political representation?