Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

[TeacherAnonymous123]

Just as the title says really! Is that your only thought about who you'll vote for, or will you look at wider policies? Been getting lots of information through my letter box recently, and none mention it.

No. Whilst I am very much invested in being on the right side of history re the Trans debate, I also really really care about education, health, housing, schools, older age people, working people. Voting on a single issue gets us nowhere as a society

No.

Yes I am.

People talking about the greater good, do you understand this is exactly what Labour are banking on?

That women will put others first to their own disadvantage. Convince themselves and others to self sacrifice.

You do realise threads like this will be looked at by the parties and frankly I think even if your intention is to vote Labour regardless you're a fool for saying it before an election.

We need to hold their feet to the fire now so that Starmer removes the splinters from his arse and actually acknowledges what a woman is - post Cass it's unbelievable that he's still giving evasive answers on this topic.

I'm a former Labour member and I don't trust them one iota over this issue.

I'm done trying to effect change from within and then spoiling my ballot. I'm voting Tory for the first time in my life for my GC Conservative candidate (and not the TWAW Labour MP) and I don't give a shiny shit if others think I should consider a bigger picture. I've done that for near 8 years now, so it's time to send a message they might listen to in a marginal consistency (and many of my local "lefty" GC friends feel the same way).

The ONLY reason I would vote Labour is if I was in Rosie Duffield's constituency.

I will vote for the CANDIDATE who best represents my views, on a range of issues.

My constituency is a straight Tory / Lib Dem fight, always has been. Lib Dem for years now Tory. Tory candidate is sound on women's rights, last time the Lib Dems fielded a TWAW candidate and got trounced, this time they have chosen a well liked local councillor.

If I could be convinced he was sound on women's rights issues he would get my vote... I always used to vote lib dem to keep the Tories out - but of course it's impossible to get a straight answer from him because his party is totally captured.

YES.

I’m a former Labour member too. I’ve only ever voted for Labour before.

This time, if Starmer doesn’t right his wrongs, acknowledge Cass, apologise to RD and others he may have offended, and state that he understands biological sex- I’m voting Tory.

They understand biological sex and aren’t putting VAT on education.

Nope

Yes. It has directly impacted my voting, or lack of it, here in NI over the last elections. I will not be compelled to deny observable reality or ignore child safeguarding. Deny reality and I won't trust you to run a bath let than know a country.

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Has anyone heard from the Lib Dem’s lately? I’m not the most politically on the ball but I voted for them in 2010 and haven’t heard from them since

Probably not. It will depend who is standing in my area, but I won’t be voting for any of the main parties, i.e. Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem, SNP or Green, so I’ll have to wait and hope there is an alternative.

Are you a non-man? If so, the Lib Dems don’t recognize your existence, so that may be why you haven’t heard anything.

No, however it's the main thing stopping me from voting Labour. There is a huge list of reasons for me not to vote Tory so I'm considering spoiling my ballot.

Tories have been in power for the last 14 years !

The trans issues have got worse over the past 14 years.

Yeah let's vote the tories back in.....🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

The OP asked if anyone was voting purely on the Trans issue. Which is one issue. Most of the GTTO posters have said they're doing it for women's rights, children's rights and the rights of the vulnerable because the Tories have been disastrous across the board on these issues. As well as inflicting the trans shitshow on us.

Agree.

BUT the biggest difference is that the Tories have rowed back.

If we'd been under a Labour Government we'd be in the same situation as Canada and all the other countries that ushered in self id without a shred of due diligence.

Let's not forget most of western democracy has got caught in this cultish propaganda.

Just look at Scotland and the SNP......

Do you REALLY think we'd be in a better place on this issue under Labour?

If so you are delusional. Self ID would a legal right if so. Game over.

Even now the Labour Leader can't articulate biological reality but you want him responsible for the NHS/Education etc and is still super cosy with Stonewall.

The global trans epidemic would have happened regardless of who was in power in the UK for the last 14 years.

But go ahead and make your own choices. It's a democracy after all. Just don't pretend the last 14 years would have been better under Corbyn and his brand of activism (on any issue) rather than political leadership.

Labour lost the last two General Elections rather than the Conservatives winning them.

And if the useless Tories can row back, why can't Labour? Then they'd be equal on these key inter-twining issues and the Tories would be proper toast.

But Starmer won't.

Yes. I call them women’s rights not the transgender issue

Frankly if you care about women's rights, regardless of what your voting intention is, right now your best response is to say you will vote Conservative on this single issue.

Every time.

With people doing surveys on the street. With local canvassing. On every social media forum. Ask your candidates on X/Facebook and tell them you won't put your X against a person who can't grasp XX.

Before an election is the key time to gain policy change.

No. Women's rights matter hugely to me, that's behind my interest in sex and gender. The Conservatives know what a woman is, but their overall range of policies aren't good for women as a general rule, and particularly not for women in difficult circumstances - the ones in precarious, low-paid employment, the (paid and unpaid) carers etc.

My constituency is a straight and very close fight between Labour and the SNP. My Labour candidate is sensible and straightforward, he's held down real and socially useful jobs for a couple of decades before his decision to stand for parliament, and he knows what a woman is and why the sex-based provisions in the Equality Act need to be upheld on the basis of sex. If we get a Labour government as we're almost certainly going to do, we need sensible Labour MPs to balance out the Kate Osbornes, Lloyd Russell-Moyles and so on. So while I don't trust Labour leadership one little bit, I'm voting for my Labour candidate.

That said, if I was in one of the constituencies with a gender-ideologist standing for Labour, I don't think I could bring myself to vote for them. I'm just very glad I have a good Labour candidate to vote for.

This has happened under a Tory government though? I really don't understand this view point and think anyone saying it must want to vote for them anyway. Tory party yes so well known for giving a shit about women and children 🙄

It's not just a little issue though is it?

It's the freedom to say 2+2=4

It's wanting politicians we can trust to have the courage to go against the zeitgeist and to at least listen to the minority report of whistle blowers.

Who are grounded in reality and in touch with enough ordinary people that when faced with the Westminster/Media/Academic bubble thinking, they have an internal or external functional bullshit detector. And the political skill and courage to act upon it.

You cannot silo off this issue into a side bar for folk who are only interested in it.

Trust doesn't work like that.

Fundamentally politicians from all parties (in differing ratios) have shown themselves to be liars, bullies, cowards and idiots over this. That's not something we can unsee.

It effects everything else they claim to believe, every policy promise they make. Also, the older I get the more I have observed that governments are rarely defined by what they WANT to do when they get power, but by how they respond to world events that happen WHiLE they are in power (9/11, Iraq, Global Financial Collapse, okay, Cameron created his own - Brexit, COVID). So what you need is leadership you can trust to make the right calls when the pressure is on, on issues they didn't pick. What do you do when whistleblowers are telling you there is a huge medical scandal going on, or that the post office is bullying it's postmasters through the legal system, etc? Are you going make the right call?

Jocko Willink (ex navy seal) was asked if he was in leadership in the us military and some situation came up like China attacking Taiwan, what would be the most important thing he would do? He said, to keep an open mind. Because as soon as you start thinking you know how it's going to go, what the enemy will do etc, you close down your ability to think flexibly, to see what's really happening, to take advantage of opportunities and see dangers.

A whole bunch of politicians didn't keep an open mind. They decided/maybe not even consciously that supporting TRA demands was the Right thing to do, and ignored all the voices explaining the negative consequences. You can't cut off or dismiss information like that as beneath your notice, it'll bite your arse.

Since Cass, I am slightly more hopeful that Labour won't be a complete disaster on this issue but I'm still concerned and would like more reassurance.

I'll be checking what my local candidates say/have said. I don't think. I can vote for an individual if they profess to believe TWAW.

You can choose to believe that everyone who says they will or might vote Conservative reluctantly over these issues is secretly happy about voting that way or you could keep an open mind actually listen to us disgruntled Labour/lefty voters (in person with bonified ex members if you are suspicious of the anonymity of the internet).

Yes, what has happened under the Conservatives has been bad - even considering these issues in isolation. But like in Canada, it is very likely that Labour would have been even worse on these issues had they been in charge. And going forwards, they have ferreted slower and less convincingly than the Conservatives (but in better position than SNP, LibDems and Greens)

Maybe they can still convince folk. I am hoping they can convince me and that our local candidate is GC or at least not Cass-denying. Labour is still where I'd prefer to vote.

But they can't just self identify as the Good Guys™ to get my vote. I'm struggling to trust them after all the sneery fence-sitting shit. And the rights of women and girls is too important to lose.

My choices, as a US Citizen (I’m a Brit living in the US) are Biden or Trump.

And as mad as I am with Biden and the Title 9 debacle, not to mention the lovely Dylan M visiting the White House, I cannot, cannot vote for Trump.

But Biden will be receiving a strongly worded memo from me.

Mass civil war and the real rise of the dreaded far right is now virtually guaranteed if Labour get in, will that be good for the women and children in the U.K.?

If Labour get in, I have information from impeccable sources that tell me they fully intend to immediately reverse brexit. Without a referendum. Can you just imagine what is going to happen then?

Starmer could not care less about you or me, it seems he most definitely has an agenda he has agreed to deliver and he is happily going to throw us under the bus, and the peace and stability of our country to get there. He literally has his fingers in his ears.

@Polishedshoesalways and how pray tell would Labour fully reverse brexit all alone? The EU wouldn't let them for starters.

if they promised to do it I may vote for them though